Can't I just vote for Joe Biden?
The VP debate has just wrapped up and I have, for the first time, really listened to Senator Joe Biden. Of the four runners in this election, his words are the only ones that I actually think I believed. So far, I am an undecided voter. I am a registered Republican, and typically lean in that direction, but this election has me stumped. Let me explain:
The Republicans. Senator McCain is an extremely respectable man for what he has accomplished in his life but he is 72 years old. As of 2007, 60% of the US population was between 20 and 64 years old. I'm 25 and I want someone I can relate to and who can see the world the way the majority sees it. Governor Palin is in over her head. I don't think poorly of her, but I don't see that she is ready to "take on" the lead role in our country just like the oil companies in Alaska. I like the idea of her, but I don't think she's ready for the big league.
The Democrats. Senator Obama appears to be a puppet on a string. I don't know what he is like as a person, only what he wants us to see. Does the man have any emotions? I don't get worked up and teary-eyed when I hear him speak, and if anything I turn down the volume. I don't think he is the next JFK. Sen. Biden is slightly older than 64, but there is something about him that I like. I can't quite pin it down, but when I listened to him speak, I did just that - listened. I did not scoff at his answers, like I did at both presidential candidates in their debate.
In summary, Sen. Biden is the only one of the four that I am comfortable with and, if he was #1 on the ticket, he would have my vote. But, this is not the case and I don't want to cast my vote only because of the VP pick. I am no closer to deciding where I will stand on November 4th. I can only hope that the upcoming debates will help me and those like me make a decision.
The Republicans. Senator McCain is an extremely respectable man for what he has accomplished in his life but he is 72 years old. As of 2007, 60% of the US population was between 20 and 64 years old. I'm 25 and I want someone I can relate to and who can see the world the way the majority sees it. Governor Palin is in over her head. I don't think poorly of her, but I don't see that she is ready to "take on" the lead role in our country just like the oil companies in Alaska. I like the idea of her, but I don't think she's ready for the big league.
The Democrats. Senator Obama appears to be a puppet on a string. I don't know what he is like as a person, only what he wants us to see. Does the man have any emotions? I don't get worked up and teary-eyed when I hear him speak, and if anything I turn down the volume. I don't think he is the next JFK. Sen. Biden is slightly older than 64, but there is something about him that I like. I can't quite pin it down, but when I listened to him speak, I did just that - listened. I did not scoff at his answers, like I did at both presidential candidates in their debate.
In summary, Sen. Biden is the only one of the four that I am comfortable with and, if he was #1 on the ticket, he would have my vote. But, this is not the case and I don't want to cast my vote only because of the VP pick. I am no closer to deciding where I will stand on November 4th. I can only hope that the upcoming debates will help me and those like me make a decision.
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Permalink Reply by Nathan on -
Look at it this way, he is the VP he will have input in decision just not the final word. Just follow your heart of which ticket can help America then help that ticket win.
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Permalink Reply by themisanthrope on -
Morgan writes, "I am a registered Republican, and typically lean in that direction, but this election has me stumped. Let me explain..."
What's to explain? Perhaps, even as a dyed-in-the-wool Republican, you can't bring yourself to vote for a ticket that includes what boils down to a well-rehearsed time-share salesperson who is (to use the worn out cliché) a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Biden and Palin are both loose cannons, but only one of them is as phony as a three-dollar bill. (Not that the other is 100% genuine.)
Gosh darnit , if my fellow Americans vote in McPalin - grandpa & the MILF - this year, I really think it will be the last time I bother to vote.
And if Mr. Pickens could meet with Ms. Palin and state that she "gets energy," my belief in him and his Plan is waning....
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Permalink Reply by DELETE on -
Wow. I'm really glad you shared your opinion with us. Fortunately, for me, nothing you have said has made any difference in the way that I will vote. All you have done is talk poorly of republicans. If you would like to provide some support for the dem ticket, I would be willing to listen.
Also, I didn't realize that old men and hot moms were such bad people so I'm glad you said something!
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Permalink Reply by Beth Locklear on -
I love Joe Biden, too! I am voting for his ticket. Just think about what he said during the debate when Gwen asked them what they would do as VP. Joe said he would be in the same room with Obama EVERY time a decision is made. Obama picked him for a reason. He needs someone like him with expertise in foreign policy, domestic policy, energy, economy, and knows his way around Washington. The reason I won't vote for McPalin is that I get a bad feeling about putting 2 "Mavericks" in charge of running one country. They will clash and spite each other. I know, I am a teacher and when I have a class with 2 class clowns or 2 bullies vying for attention it causes problems for the whole class. If we vote for Obama, Biden will essentially be in charge because Barack is more passive and Biden is more assertive. What do you think?
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Permalink Reply by DELETE on
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Okay you said: "Obama picked him for a reason. He needs someone like him with expertise in foreign policy, domestic policy, energy, economy, and knows his way around Washington." So shat else is there?
I think you may have just helped me decide how I will vote. How can you vote for someone who doesn't know what they're doing? It has become increasingly clear to me that Barack Obama is simply a poster child for the Democratic party and only does as he is told. I may not necessarily want 2 "mavericks" in the White House but I surely want someone who can stand by their convictions!
You also said: "If we vote for Obama, Biden will essentially be in charge because Barack is more passive and Biden is more assertive." I'm sorry, but what the hell kind of president is that?! This isn't some small third world country, here. We are the United States. And it's not like these are the best of times either. We need a president who can handle the conflicts of past, present, and future and not have to depend on his VP to create an opinion for him.
Pretty much what I take from your posts is that Obama is only on the ticket to get votes. No one really expects him to make any decisions on anything important (because that's what the vp is for, duh). It's just that he's an extremely talented public speaker and many Americans will want to vote for him. Do I have that right or are my interpretations way off?
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Permalink Reply by Ray Phillips on -
Morgan,
I think people here are underestimating Senator Obama. I'm sure that Senator Biden will be in on decision making, but as President Truman said, "the buck stops here," meaning that the president makes the final decision and sticks by it. He just has to be sure that the information he is getting is good information so his decision will be a well-informed, thoughtful and correct one. We also need a person in control who will understand when a mistake has been made and is not afraid to change his mind based on facts.
Fortunately (lol) you have another month to be confused about your vote and to be inundated by information from people on both sides of the political spectrum. Don't get discouraged and don't let others make up your mind for you.
Keep the faith.
Ray
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Permalink Reply by Katie08 on -
The only thing I can say on voting is, please make an informed decision and then vote with who you feel will do the best job. I have my opinions about Obama and McCain. I see the news and then the spinners after the debate. The media is all one sided and you will see a lot of propoganda now more than ever. Read about each candidate, and more importantly their voting record. I did this. And after much reading and research, I support who my gut was telling me to vote for and that is McCain. I can go off and list all kinds of things that Obama says he supports, but voted against. I can tell you what I have learned about his life and his rise to power. I can also tell you what McCain supported and voted for and why. I will leave that for you to do. I won't go there. But whomever you decide, it is important that you cast an informed decision.
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Permalink Reply by Wendell on -
TIMING IS A BIG THING..
THIS CHANGE DOCTRINE . IS BEING USED TO IN A LOT OF WAYS TO MANIPULATE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE..IM PUZZLED WHY WASNT MR. BIDEN CHOSEN AS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINIE
ITS INTERESTING ,HOW NOMINIES ARE CHOSEN,JUST BECAUSE SOME ONE CAN SPEAK WELL, DOES NOT MAKE THEM QUALIFIED..JOE BIDEN OR HILLARY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE TOP DEMOCRATIC NOMINIE,MR. OBAMA WOULD BE A GOOD VP ,JUST LIKE MRS PALIN..
WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS SITUATION CROSS THE BOARD..THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT IS ..
MR. MCCAIN IS BEST PREPARED TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY,COMMANDER & CHIEF/EXECUTIVE CHIEF..MRS PALIN HAS THE MOST EXCECUTIVE EXPERIENCE ,WHEN THE FACTS ARE REALLY LOOKED AT!MCCAIN HAS THE MILITARY EXPERIENCE,PLACE THESE TWO TOGETHER AND WE HAVE THE BEST QUALIFIED PARTY TO LEAD ,RIGHT NOW..I BELEIVE THE PRESIDENT IS SUPPOSE TO STAND FOR WHATS RIGHT MORALLY AS WELL AS THE THINGS OF SOCIETY..
COME ON READERS LETS BE REAL..BEARING CHILDREN IS PART OF MARRIAGE,MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN ONE MAN & ONE WOMAN..WE CANT COMPARE MILITARY LIFE BEING LOST ,TO ABORTION,ALL LIFE COMES FROM ABOVE (GOD/JESUS!) NO HUMAN BEING HAVE A RIGHT TO ABORT A BABY..IN THE CASE OF THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER,THATS PROBALY ANOTHER ISSUE
ONLY GOD HAS THE ANSWERS..
LETS BE REAL AGAIN BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE/READERS,MONEY IS NOT EVERYTHING
WHICH PARTY IS STANDING FOR MORAL RIGHTS ,AS WELL AS ECONOMICS/SOCIETY
WE MUST EVALUATE FAIRLY! I LOVE MR. OBAMA & HIS FAMILY ,AND I LOVE MR. MCCAIN & HIS FAMILY,BUT WHO IS BEST QUALIFIED TO LEAD RIGHT NOW PEOPLE..
IT IS UNFAIR TO JUDGE MR. MCCAIN AND SAY HES GOING TO BE LIKE MR. BUSH..
I LOVE MR. BUSH & HIS FAMILY AS WELL,IN FACT I STRIVE TO LOVE EVERYBODY!
MR. BUSH I IS A GOOD PRESIDENT..IT IS ALSO UNFAIR TO BLAME HIM FOR EVERTHING..
WHEN HE CAME INTO OFFICE HE HAD TO CLEAN UP A LOT OF THINGS AS WELL!
YES THERE WERE SOME BLUNDERS!THERE WILL BE BLUNDERS PROBABLY FROM EITHER OF THESE CANDIDATES AS WELL! MY PRAYER IS THAT WE AS HUMAN BEINGS NOT LET EMOTIONS CONTROL OUR THINKING!MILITARY IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT
KEEPING THE COUNTRY FREE!THE ECONOMY WILL WORK ITSELF OUT ,THE BAILOUT PACKAGE IS A START..I COMMEND THE GOVERMENT FOR COMING TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE,ITS SHOWS ME THAT SOMEBODY CARES,LETS GIVE CREDIT WERE CREDIT IS DUE!
MAY THE LORD JESUS! BLESS ALL OF THE READERS..
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Permalink Reply by Ray Phillips on
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Well, there they go again, Morgan, trying to scare you and the rest of the American public with misinformation. Just read through Davids posting and see what I mean. In the first paragraph, he uses the term "central politburo," trying to link Senator Obama to communists.
Then he goes on to talk about the current financial crisis being the fault of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. While the push to allow lower income families to own homes has been a part of the problem, take a look back at the tactics of the lending institutions over the past few years. While the average American racks up more and more debt, the lending institutions worked on ways to keep lending money so they could keep making money. Two of the ways were ARMs and Interest only loans. These were not targeted at just low income potential home buyers. They were mainly aimed at the middle class who could not afford to buy new homes because they could not afford the payments because they were paying on their other debts.
Next come the supposed threat to religion in America. In truth, I find some of the rulings about prayer in school and the pledge of allegience disturbing and would like to see both placed back in schools, but neither of these issues can be blamed on Senator Obama. In truth, the issue is more than likely a backlash to the rise of groups like the Moral Majority in the 1980's and their influence on politics.
Next he attacks the global warming issue. The fact is, whether global warming is a man made phenomenon or is a natural swing in the earths evolvement, the idea that we should not do anything we can to slow it down is a bit fatalistic for the future generations of this planet. Again, though, he's trying to link this to Senator Obama as a scare tactic.
David then runs through a whole lot of stats designed to let you know that life under Republicans is better than like under Democrats. He shows you that the GDP and household savings were better during the Reagan and Bush years, but what he doesn't tell you is that both were a result of deficit spending by the government. Under Reagan, spending for defense was increased, America began to prosper and life was supposedly good. Same for the Bush administrations. The fact is, government spending can lead to a healthy, strong economy. There is, though, such a thing as "too much of a good thing." Right now, this economy is in trouble. The present administration is spending around $10 billion a month on a war that, by all reasonable accounts was unecessary. Whether you believe that US intelligent agencies failed or President Bush lied, the fact is that no weapons of mass destruction were found and all we did was topple a government that was little more than a nuisance to the area. Our government spending has gone beyond the point of helping this country's economy grown, and now threatens to send us into recession.
Finally, take a good long look at the poster that David has ended his posting with. It is a blatant attempt to link Senator Obama to the marxist, socialist, communist efforts of the 50's, 60's and 70's. It's shameful and, quite frankly, it's tactics like this that have driven me away from the Repulican party. These attacks are nothing new. Back in the 90's, during the Clinton years, the Republican hate machine ramped up into full swing and idiots like Rush Limbaugh were all over the airwaves poking mean-spirited fun at the people of the Clinton administration. The problem then, was that the economy was running smooth and the right wing had no other way of keeping themselves in the public eye.
In this election, the economy is tanking and the Republicans have nothing with which to stand upon other than fear tactics. Just today, there is an article on Yahoo about Governor Palins attacks on Senator Obama, where she accuses him of "palling around with terrorists." It reminds me of the old saying, if you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with BS.
Listen, Morgan, don't let anything I write here sway you either way. There are four weeks left in this election, time for you to do your own research and make up your own mind. I just hate to see you showered with propoganda like the stuff David wrote. Oh, and don't drink of the left wing kool-ade either. You'll find plenty of that on this site as well.
Good luck and hang in there.
Ray
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_el_pr/palin_s_words_analysis
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Permalink Reply by Ray Phillips on
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Morgan,
David is correct in one thing, I said nothing to try and convince you that Senator Obama will be good for America. It is up to you to listen to what he says and then listen to what Senator McCain says and make up your own mind.
I do want you to notice, though, what people like David are saying to try and convince you to vote their way. Hysterical propoganda designed to frighten you into voting for Senator McCain.
Now I'm going to drop the subject and wish you good luck. As my old daddy used to tell me, if you keep on arguing with a fool, people might not be able to tell the difference.
Keep the faith and use your head to vote the way you want to vote, be it for Senator Obama or Senator McCain.
Ray
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Permalink Reply by Gerald G Flood on -
Next time make it 3 times as long.
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Permalink Reply by DubleDeuce on -
Oh, and don't drink of the left wing kool-ade either. '>>
Is there ANY OTHER kind?
The Deuceman
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