How much time to prepare before economic collapse??

Oil up sevenfold from $20 to $140 inside of eight years...
Home values off over 20% for most US citizens...
Fannie and Freddie on taxpayer life support and could cost trillions...
Financial Institutions at every level in serious jeopardy...

State and local governments facing unpredented budget shorfalls...
Investment capital and consumer lending are drying up...
The free-spending Joe-Sixpack has maxed out his HELOC and CC and no longer goes to the mall...
Inflation/commodity adjusted stock portfolios, pension plans, and government holdings taking a nose-dive...

Federal debt at over $55 trillion with off-books Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and unfunded infrastructure maintenance included...
Airline and auto industries have tanked with no investors in sight...

US imports 2/3 of its daily oil consumption...
Chindia loaded with petrodollars and can outbid us on the open market...
OPEC weighing ever more heavily towards dropping the dollar...
US dollar index in steady decline...

Exporting countries outside OPEC in net production declines...
OPEC exports are probably past peak and headed toward declines...

----- Feel free to add to this list... I'm bored.

Why such a negative post??

To light a fire under everyone of you... Let's run with the Pickens Plan. It's the best plan I've found with any hope of going anywhere.

Jump on board... we can make course adjustments as we go.

Tell your friends, family, and co-workers to consider joining us. We have some incredible momentum started here.

But here is my big question: How much time do we have??

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Permalink Reply by Peak Dad on July 12, 2008 at 2:01pm: I don't think we have much time... maybe 2 or 3 years.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Arthur T White on July 25, 2008 at 10:48am: Time is short. But we have to use current energy types to get very far with wind, solar, etc.

It takes a lot of energy to produce the hardware for renewable energy projects. Our
current availability of oil is marginal. Solar and wind sources hardly produce enough
energy to replace that energy it took to manufacture the hardware - eg. turbines and
solar panels. (At the other end of the spectrum, Nuclear can produce energy many times
its manufacturing requirements.)

Therefore, lots of oil, natural gas, coal and other fossil resources will be needed to
get the huge number of installations needed to get meaningful amounts of solar and wind
energy. Yes, lots of carbons will be produced in the process. If we succeed (which I
hope we will), we will really prove just how much carbon products generated by man
actually affect the "global climate change." It's one or the other!

In any event, we've got to start NOW drilling, mining, digging, building and anything else
to get any and all sources of energy to meet our oncoming needs before we go down
the tubes. We cannot wait for the next administration!! Democrats are about to seal
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Permalink Reply by Home Wind Turbine on August 15, 2008 at 2:27pm: I am right with you brother. All except the nuclear. I don't want more of that, it may not pollute the air, until a train load of waste crashes or a terrorist gets the waste and puts it out to pollute us all. It won't be so clean then. Remember Chernobyl? France has all that nuclear power, thety don't store any of it, they export it to other countries. Nuclear cannot compare to a windmill, hydro dam, solar panel. Nuclear is NOT clean power.

It doesn't matter if you like Boone, or believe in global warming, are a democrat, republican, whatever. It doesn't matter if you like Nuclear or not.

For the cost of a car, you can have energy independence. What does T Boone or John Kerry have to do with any of the things you need to act on?

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Permalink Reply by American in the D.R. on August 15, 2008 at 3:15pm: :); ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Michael D Highsmith on November 15, 2008 at 10:03am: So nuclear is bad and everything else is good? Get with the program, do your own reseach and stop watching CNN and the alphabet soup channels on TV. You are just affraid of what you are watching, not the truth. Nuclear power with all it's safeguards is far far safer than say depending on foreign oil. Why would terrorist go to all that trouble when all they really have to do is take over a Middle eastern government that produces the oil we now depend on now? Although I think smaller nuclear plants would be even safer and far easier to protect. Most could be built underground or inside mountains and in sealed never to be opened containers. Even at the least we have got to get of the oil bottle that they are feeding us.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Lou De Frog on February 14, 2009 at 3:34pm: The amount of energy used to build a nuclear plant is so great that it takes 10 years to get that much back from the facility. It employs very few well paid employees, and the fuel for it is imported.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Christiane on September 23, 2008 at 9:53pm: Thanks, Arthur, for pointing out the investment of energy it takes to produce energy. Even my 12-year-old son knows how many units of energy it takes to produce which fuel (OK, he's a bit of an energy geek, working on his own new source of fuel for autos). Most new energy requires a huge investment in change in the beginning, while we really have no choice in the end.

Meanwhile, I don't mind the barrel price of oil if it finances the technology to produce oil that may otherwise not be economically viable. Once our politicians (who are ostensibly working for us) decide we will have CNG by a certain date, the infrastructure will "magically appear" via our own tax dollars. Mr. Pickens is positioning our country for a capitalistic way to achieve this, meaning fewer of our tax dollars going toward a bunch of bureaucrats scratching their heads for years before the implementation begins... One more reason to push the Pickens Plan!

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Permalink Reply by barrie harrop on January 25, 2009 at 6:31pm: Nuclear is a 10-20year time frame,name one plant in US that has got up in under 10years???; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Michael D Highsmith on November 15, 2008 at 9:47am: With all the doom and gloom that is going on we only have 4 years and one month before the end of the world as we know it. Remember "Chiken Little"?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Lou De Frog on February 16, 2009 at 6:03am: Same guy who designed the Aztec calender ?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Debra Goldenberg on September 11, 2009 at 9:13pm: 2012 is the date to remember. Check out the movie, with John Cusack.

Search on Youtube.com

4 million people have already viewed this link. then search for John Cusack interviews. Lots of politics and liberal opinions. Can you handle the left?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by barrie harrop on January 25, 2009 at 6:37pm: This is being too definitive,its now we need to act,your country has less than 1% renewable energy,realistic target in next 10 years is 20%,we are talking massive employment in the green space well over 1m long term jobs,and when you have got these plans going there is a massive world market .

Its the stroke of pen from President Obama to get this happening ,yes there needs to be incentives,but hey just look at the amount money your Auto Manufacturers have sucked up or your Wall Street Bankers on bailouts.
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