LAST & FINAL DEBATE,MR. MCCAIN&MR. OBAMA

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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on October 16, 2008 at 1:34pm

Here's a little more updated information:

The new democrat proposal for another $300 billion they want as an infrastructure 'back-up bailout plan' now is before Congress.

Yeah, the democrats are now sponsoring another bail-out plan. They feel a dire need to go over 1 trillion on this, nice.

So, to save their haughty illegal a$$es, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, at 8:55 AM EST this morning, called for an investigative hearing into the new bill proposal, after R-Roehner found layers and layers of more spending pork in the latest DNC round-up of old buddies. Now they can dissertate on how improving our national infrastructure in new roads and bridges, like the bridge to nowhere Brian loves so much, can be built now to create more jobs, even though such projects, if they even show significant job creation, cannot have an immediate effect, which is what their new proposal for bail-out #2, was supposed to do. (It says so in the first 3 pages, repeatedly. "Immediate Relief for our middle class..." by using projects that take 1-2 years to get off the ground.

Its just the grandstanding, pre-planned show by Pelosi and Reid, set up to try and keep the American public's attention off the growing masses and riots aiming their sights on Dodd. Frank, Waters, Meeks, Schumer and Reid, who governed the entire cover-up process in protecting their special interests in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The second bail-out wont' pass, and Reid and Pelosi, over a proposal of their own making, will attempt to Theatericize the entire "investigation" so they can take credit in repudiating bad waste of tax dollars, and hopefully take enough time doing it, that the mobs after the 'Sinner-6' will get tired and go away.

If they go away, the major news networks won't have to report on the true failures of the DNC to have stopped this economic collapse from every happening. Which those netwroks will only approach, AFTER the election so Obama has nothing to be considered for. The same EXACT way they won't cover the now 202,000 voter registration frauds, and now YES, VOTER FRAUDS discovered yesterday in Ohio.

Which by the way, at 10:12 AM EST this morning, the Secretary of State in Ohio set up an emergency appeal to fight the Ohio Appeals Court ruling at the Supreme Court in DC, so that she would not have to comply, and turn over all 200K+ false voter registrations to the county voting boards, so they can't refuse any Voter Fraud from taking place.

Guess who did not carry that story? ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN. (PBS just aired it at 11:00 AM CST/12:00 PM EST, bless them).

CRIMINALS SEEM TO RUN ELECTION EFFORTS FOR OBAMA AND THE DNC, yet only two news networks cover a national case of incredible Voter Fraud, (Yes, now have confirmed and documented cases of early voting fraud having been submitted.... not just registration fraud...) over 202 THOUSAND registrations and over 1000 confirmed early votes in Ohio alone, and only Fox and PBS will broadcast it.

Reuters and the Wall Street Journal are supposed to make announcements on this activity by 3:00 PM EST today. They'll still do what ABC, CBS and NBC won't do.

Even if you hate FOX NEWS watch it today, as they follow the Supreme Court's initial decision on whether the Ohio Secretary of State will get her chance to cover-up over 200K fraudulent voter registrations.

Make the networks pay for intentionally covering-up national acts of criminal felonies by omission. Email them for their obvious and cowardly partisanship, and watch a different news service.

McCain, by values and default, over such dishonest cover-ups, and proposals by Obama, is the better candidate to be in office.

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Permalink Reply by Wendell on October 16, 2008 at 3:12pm

Mr. obama is pretty smooth..
but i still believe Mccain is different than Bush
A lot of people are just driven by emotion
I had an opertunity to speak with a politian to day
an Obama supporter..
I just would like to see a fair election
no votor frauds..i was informed today that the popular vote dont decide the election ..
its the electoral votes,i had always believed this anyways..
But today just confirmed what i had always believed..
I believe mr. obama will get the popular vote easy..
But the electorals,the ones that really make the decision ,this could be another story..
which ever candidate wins,i just want fairness..
im feeling uneasy with this votor fraud stuff,perhaps each state is going to have to keep a microscope in hand..neither one is going to change anything right off..
we must focus on who is best qualified as commander & chief(Mccain)all the way..
the democrats dont seem to be showing much unity,hillary is still hurting..
she is just going along with the plan..both biden& hillary said that obama is not ready to hold the office of president..i believe every american knows who is the best candidate..obama might be a puppet for one term until he catches on to things..is this fair to the american people,for some one to be on the job training!
people think changing from republican to democrat is going to change things..
mccains camp has made blunders , with this attack mode..

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Permalink Reply by Ray Phillips on October 16, 2008 at 1:57pm

Senator McCain is more experienced, but I think his age is a big factor against him. The presidency ages a man like no other job in this country and I don't think McCain will last in that job. His running mate is not even close to being qualified to replace him. She showed in Alaska that she is more than willing to use her power for her own personal issues, both as mayor and governor. Face it, she's another D*** Cheney.

Senator Obama is less experienced than Senator McCain, but infinitely more qualified that Governor Palin. Senator Biden is well qualified to take over from Senator Obama if needed.

Given all the circumstances, Senator Obama is the best candidate to be the next president.

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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on October 16, 2008 at 2:43pm

Palin another D*** Cheney? HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAAAA this is rich!

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Permalink Reply by Ray Phillips on October 16, 2008 at 2:49pm

Throws her weight around. Ties to oil companies. Sound familiar?

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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on October 16, 2008 at 3:00pm

Got a bad policeman/trooper out of her family's hair, where he threatened their lives, as he has been confirmed to have done to his previous girlfriend before Palin's own sister, and weighed in on a state official who would not terminate the violent moron with adequate proof before him.

So we should let the trooper toss his weight around instead? That sounds way too familiar, and I support our local law enforcement well, right up and until the point of illegal abuses. I've been through that scenario myself, and would not see any of it happen to anyone else!

TIES TO BIG OIL? She's the only state politician in Alaska's contemporary history who has fought and regulated big Oil in Alaska. She only wants to see her State's energy do well with our country. She encourages more drilling, but also fought against local state subsidies for big Oil, offered no tax credits for them, and pointed out that ANWAR was a wasteland already, even to most forms of wildlife.

Cut state spending significantly, eliminated, even by published Democrat accounts, 12 acts of significant state corruption and mis-appropriating, and you think she's Cheney?

I know a lot about ol' D***, too much of him in Houston actually and I can tell you, we may never know all he's done or not done, unfortunately.

Sarah is a grace of light next to D***, and nothing like him. You're just a smear from far away on Palin.

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Permalink Reply by Ray Phillips on October 16, 2008 at 3:13pm

There you go with your spins again. She fired the librarian in Wasilla when she wouldn't agree that she would pull books off the shelf if the mayor asked her to. She had to backpeddle on that one. It wasn't her job to investigate individual troopers, but she took it upon herself, or rather, let her husband try his best to get the guy fired. The guy had been investigated by his boss and the incident had been settled. By the way, Palins husband seems to figure a lot in Alaska politics. I thought she was the governor.

Of course she encourages more drilling, since her husband works for BP, it is in her interest to encourage more drilling. After all, she's only slightly more than a millionaire. She needs to get more drilling started if she is to really get rich off of the office. That smacks of conflict of interest.

I guess she could afford to cut spending, after all she had all that federal money to spend as she saw fit since she said "thanks, but no thanks to the bridge to no where."

I do give her credit for bringing to light the corruption on the oil resources board she sat on, but she's no angel of mercy.

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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on October 16, 2008 at 4:32pm

MY SPINS?? No one, including myself said it was her job to inestigate state troopers. BUT, if you run into a bad cop or trooper that has it in for you, you'll be praying there is some Palin looking out for you.

There is no hesitancy when you have a confirmed bad law officer on your hands. Good ones are to be revered. The fewer bad ones need immediate drumming out when you know about them.

The incident was not settled, check your facts. After his initial investigation was completed, the trooper threatened Palin's sister again, that is when Palin's husband jumped in with both feet, when the trooper's boss's actions had ZERO effectiveness. This is part of the record, the one major reason the main network news channels won't press Palin about it. She'd have the perfect opportunity to tell this account, and make herself even more popular with the public.

Accuracy please Ray, not YOUR spins, or clever omissions.

The money from the bridge went to other infrastructure programs the democrats in Alaska voted for as well.

This is probably why 30 lawyers and reporters sent to Alaska to dig up dirt on Palin came up so empty as to what they wanted to confront her with. I guess you're more qualified to do so.

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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on October 16, 2008 at 5:34pm

Yes, ignore the other facts that same newspaper reported Brian. You know, the rest of us can read that too, its this 'internet thingie' you have trouble with.

Folks, the same newspaper reports what I posted above Brian's troubled little dottering here.

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Permalink Reply by Ray Phillips on October 16, 2008 at 6:17pm

Correction please, people were sent to Alaska to find out about Sarah Palin, what you call dig up dirt, because she was a new name on the national front and people wanted to know her. It's funny how the Republican spin machine turns legitimate fact finding into "diggin up dirt."

Maybe I am more qualified because I don't just fall for all the crud that is thrown out there and I like to think for myself.

By the way, you have thrown more spins out on this site that I have, most of it Republican hogwash that has been refuted again and again by credible sources. That's why I have abandoned the Republican party and become an Independent, because listening to the same old tripe gets old. The Republican spin machines theory of "if the lies don't work the first time, just shout them louder and louder" routine isn't working, and the party mouthpieces are sounding more desperate by the minute.

Me, I just try to give people facts to let them make up their own minds.

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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on October 16, 2008 at 8:52pm

That's funny, there were already over 100 new reporters in Alaska to cover Governor Palin after her selection for the VP slot on McCain's ticket, so you see, this is yet another spin you try to make appear, like Brian, like a sudden difference of opinion. Not very amusing.

The DNC paid for, or didn't you see that admission by the national newscasts, 30 lawyers and supporting extra reporters to Alaska to try and 'dig up dirt'.

Obama's campaign manager even admitted to this. He admits it himself most every morning on FOX News, no lie. I channel surf the news shows in the AM while getting ready for work. He's been on Fox of all places, admitting he has no shame helping to deploy the extra lawyers and reporters, for the expressed purpose of finding sludge on Sarah Palin.

If you're going to argue the point, try and be mature enough to not contradict your own campaign.

Seems any independent 'thinker' of any repute, would know when the DNC has admitteed to the 30 lawyers sent on their own tab, for the expressed added investigation into Sarah Palin.

Dude, over 100 major network reporters and newspaper investigators were ALREADY THERE. These guys landed a full week after the RNC Convention concluded.

PUHLEEEZE keep your mess straight.

And don't worry, I may use caps to emphasize the truth you like to cover up with nonsensical spins, but I'd NEVER waste my breath screaming at you guys...hahahaha Truth always hurts the shallow.

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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on October 16, 2008 at 8:54pm

Everyone here obviously does not see it as hate. Oh, here's another FACT FLASH FOR BRIAN FOLKS!! Check it out so easily verifiable you won't even need a link.

AP News: 2:38 PM Today, 10/16/2008.

"After last night's sudden remark from Senator Barack Obama, about his telling the crowd of the third and final presidential debate that Sarah Palin had supporters yelling obscenties and "KILL HIM" at one of her campaign rallys, AP and ABC news decided to interview all Secret Service personnel and team assignees for both Barack Obama's contingent and the entire crew covering Sarah Palin.

After all Secret Service personnel were interviewed, not one Secret Service employee from either Palin or Obama's Sercret Service detail said they ever heard the remark, "KILL HIM" when Barack Obama's name was mentioned, nor they said, had they heard the term "Kill Him" at any other time in the rally of either candidate as well.

Senator Obama told Senator John McCain and the debate's moderator Bob Schieffer, that in no uncertain terms, that at one of Governor Sarah Palin's campaign rallys, obvious and clear rants of "Kill Him" could be overheard in the video of Palin's appearance.

Since no reporter at ABC could ever recall any sound-byte or video file where they ever heard such a remark, ABC and other AP Newswire reporters decided to interview all Secret Service Detail crew for both Obama and Palin to see if anyone heard any such remark or anything similar.

To a person, all Secret Service personnel claimed no one had ever heard such a rant.

One Secret Serviceman has also been quoted:

"If we ever hear anything like that, we have to take action. Any threat at a presidential or vice presidential candidate ensures quick arrest and detainment, and that is just for starters. We have to stay in such close proximity to the candidates at all times, that if any microphone can hear that, we can also. We also review and screen as many news video files every day, to make certain we are missing nothing in our duties as a Secret Service Security Detail."

Upon matching notes amongst all interviews, AP News Service and ABC agree, not only did no Secret Service Agent ever hear the rant Senator Obama assured the nation was heard at a Sarah Palin rally, to which he added, "...and she did nothing to discourage such talk, which only encourages Senator McCain's attacks of negativity and hatred..."

Now, no news agency can find any such audio or video byte in any of the recordings of any Sarah Palin appearance.

At 3:50 PM EST today, Senator Joe Biden told AP reporters after hearing their AP report earlier in the afternoon, " I know that at one of my appearances, someone said 'Kill Him' when I referred to my next president and boss, Barack Obama! Maybe he was just confused as to where the hate remark came from." This Joe Biden said today publicly, hoping to provide political cover for his boss.

ABC News and AP have promised to interview all of Senator Biden's detail tomorrow, to see if any of his Secret Servicemen can remember any time such a comment was made. In the meantime, and as up to 6:00PM EST today, ABC news reports that in searching every video file that Joe Biden has appeared in on his campaign, again, they can find no sound byte where anyone has yelled "Kill Him" during any time in any political appearance this year, or when Senator Obama's name has ever been mentioned by either Republican candidate.

ABC News asked the question today and left a partial answer;

"Could Barack Obama have intentonally lied about hearing such a remark, or was he poorly mis-informed by one of his campaign staff who told him that they had heard it? In either case, we do have full video coverage of each appearance by Sarah Palin on her campaign trail, and such a remark has ever been recorded to our knowledge. Since Senator Obama referred directly to a published video record, we have to assume this was a clever lie to motivate rationales of fear and r

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