Global warming on other planets Mars, Jupiter, Triton, Neptune, Pluto, and others share the fate of Earth
Man Made Global Warming is a Hoax!
Jupiter
A new storm and a new red spot on Jupiter hints at climate change, USA TODAY and dozens of other sources explained yesterday. The temperatures are expected to change by as much as 10 Fahrenheit degrees at different places of the globe. At least close to the new spot and to the equator, nothing less than global warming is expected.
New observations of Jupiter's climate change were released in 2008
Neptune
The climate of Neptune - more precisely its reflectivity - was recently changing. Lockwood and Hammel argue in Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 34 (2007) that the trends on Neptune reveal suggestive correlations of brightness of Neptune with the temperature trends on Earth, indicating their common solar origin - although I am not quite sure whether the sign is as expected.
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Triton
Triton is Neptune's largest Moon. Some people believe that it used to be an asteroid. Global warming was detected on Triton. Between 1989 and 1998, the temperature jumped by 5 percent on the absolute (Kelvin) scale. The same relative increase would raise the Earth's temperature by 22 degrees Fahrenheit in 9 years. See thousands of other pages about the global warming on Triton.
Enceladus
Another moon of Saturn's, Enceladus, would be also expected to be frozen and cold. Suddenly, Cassini has informed us that Enceladus generates its own heat. Its high temperatures seem to be incompatible with calculations based on solar energy itself, according to existing models.
Saturn
Saturn itself has a rather warm southern pole, and the temperatures in that region suddenly jumped by 3-5 Kelvin degrees. Well, it's warm because it's been exposed to sunshine for quite some time but the magnitude of the temperature jumps is not trivial to calculate.
Pluto
What's going on with Pluto? Well, yes, your guess is right. There is global warming on Pluto. Pluto's atmospheric pressure has tripled in 14 years, and the associated increase of temperature is estimated to be around 3.5 Fahrenheit degrees, despite the motion of Pluto away from the Sun.
Mars
Of course, the global warming on Mars is a well-known story. Between 1975 and 2000, Mars warmed up by 0.65 Celsius degrees, much faster than Earth: see Nature 2007. The warming has been used by this blog to discover the Martians. More seriously, we have explained that the dramatic and speedy melting of the Martian icecaps is caused by the greenhouse effect. 95% of "their" atmosphere is made of carbon dioxide; that's slightly more than 0.038% of our atmosphere.
The warming trend on Mars is undeniable. Some people have tried to blame the global warming on NASA's rovers. Such accusations are pretty serious because NASA is already preparing plans to occupy Mars using the greenhouse effect.
Venus
This planet doesn't belong to this list of planets where recent warming has been demonstrated. But it is interesting to talk about the greenhouse effect there.
Venus, our planet's evil sister, has already been identified as unusable for life because of ... yes, because of the greenhouse effect that occured in the past. Last month, the Venus express gave us some new hints why Venus has such a thick atmosphere that generated global warming.
Venus' distance from the Sun is about 70% of the distance Sun-Earth. Because of the second power, this means that there is twice as much solar radiation per area over there. Because of the fourth power in the Stefan-Boltzmann law, it means that you expect about 20% higher temperatures in comparison with Earth on the Kelvin scale which would mean, if Venus were a black body, that the temperature would still be still below 100 Celsius. But they are about 470 Celsius on Venus.
Venus is clearly not a black body and the greenhouse effect is important for raising its temperature. But you should notice that Venus' atmosphere has 90 times higher pressure than the terrestrial atmosphere and 96% of it is carbon dioxide! The Earth only has 380 parts per million of CO2, and if you divided it by 90 to get the corresponding fraction of the Venus atmosphere, you get about 4 parts per million. There is more than 100,000 times less CO2 density here than on Venus! If you used a linear relationship between the CO2 concentration and temperature boost, you would see that the expected increase of the Earth temperature due to CO2 is 400 Celsius divided by more than 100,000 which is a few millikelvins - a totally negligible amount! The actual strength of the greenhouse effect on Earth will be stronger - because the first molecules matter more - but it won't be exceedingly stronger. At any rate, when numbers are taken into account, you shouldn't expect any substantial influence of CO2 on Earth.
But let us return to the planets that are known to be currently warming.
Earth
The Earth is currently experiencing warming, too, although a less dramatic one than the previous examples. However, there is apparently a huge difference. The warming on the previous planets and moons was natural. On the other hand, the warming on Earth couldn't evolve naturally: it is caused by the humankind, evil corporations, and their intelligent design, most left-wing scientists believe. The warming trends can't have anything to do with the Sun whose activity is now highest in the last 1000 years: it is unethical to propose that the Sun plays any role, consensus scientists argue.
Google Planets Warming for more information.
Jupiter
A new storm and a new red spot on Jupiter hints at climate change, USA TODAY and dozens of other sources explained yesterday. The temperatures are expected to change by as much as 10 Fahrenheit degrees at different places of the globe. At least close to the new spot and to the equator, nothing less than global warming is expected.
New observations of Jupiter's climate change were released in 2008
Neptune
The climate of Neptune - more precisely its reflectivity - was recently changing. Lockwood and Hammel argue in Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 34 (2007) that the trends on Neptune reveal suggestive correlations of brightness of Neptune with the temperature trends on Earth, indicating their common solar origin - although I am not quite sure whether the sign is as expected.
Buy Czech President Václav Klaus' amazing book, "Blue Planet in Green Shackles".
Triton
Triton is Neptune's largest Moon. Some people believe that it used to be an asteroid. Global warming was detected on Triton. Between 1989 and 1998, the temperature jumped by 5 percent on the absolute (Kelvin) scale. The same relative increase would raise the Earth's temperature by 22 degrees Fahrenheit in 9 years. See thousands of other pages about the global warming on Triton.
Enceladus
Another moon of Saturn's, Enceladus, would be also expected to be frozen and cold. Suddenly, Cassini has informed us that Enceladus generates its own heat. Its high temperatures seem to be incompatible with calculations based on solar energy itself, according to existing models.
Saturn
Saturn itself has a rather warm southern pole, and the temperatures in that region suddenly jumped by 3-5 Kelvin degrees. Well, it's warm because it's been exposed to sunshine for quite some time but the magnitude of the temperature jumps is not trivial to calculate.
Pluto
What's going on with Pluto? Well, yes, your guess is right. There is global warming on Pluto. Pluto's atmospheric pressure has tripled in 14 years, and the associated increase of temperature is estimated to be around 3.5 Fahrenheit degrees, despite the motion of Pluto away from the Sun.
Mars
Of course, the global warming on Mars is a well-known story. Between 1975 and 2000, Mars warmed up by 0.65 Celsius degrees, much faster than Earth: see Nature 2007. The warming has been used by this blog to discover the Martians. More seriously, we have explained that the dramatic and speedy melting of the Martian icecaps is caused by the greenhouse effect. 95% of "their" atmosphere is made of carbon dioxide; that's slightly more than 0.038% of our atmosphere.
The warming trend on Mars is undeniable. Some people have tried to blame the global warming on NASA's rovers. Such accusations are pretty serious because NASA is already preparing plans to occupy Mars using the greenhouse effect.
Venus
This planet doesn't belong to this list of planets where recent warming has been demonstrated. But it is interesting to talk about the greenhouse effect there.
Venus, our planet's evil sister, has already been identified as unusable for life because of ... yes, because of the greenhouse effect that occured in the past. Last month, the Venus express gave us some new hints why Venus has such a thick atmosphere that generated global warming.
Venus' distance from the Sun is about 70% of the distance Sun-Earth. Because of the second power, this means that there is twice as much solar radiation per area over there. Because of the fourth power in the Stefan-Boltzmann law, it means that you expect about 20% higher temperatures in comparison with Earth on the Kelvin scale which would mean, if Venus were a black body, that the temperature would still be still below 100 Celsius. But they are about 470 Celsius on Venus.
Venus is clearly not a black body and the greenhouse effect is important for raising its temperature. But you should notice that Venus' atmosphere has 90 times higher pressure than the terrestrial atmosphere and 96% of it is carbon dioxide! The Earth only has 380 parts per million of CO2, and if you divided it by 90 to get the corresponding fraction of the Venus atmosphere, you get about 4 parts per million. There is more than 100,000 times less CO2 density here than on Venus! If you used a linear relationship between the CO2 concentration and temperature boost, you would see that the expected increase of the Earth temperature due to CO2 is 400 Celsius divided by more than 100,000 which is a few millikelvins - a totally negligible amount! The actual strength of the greenhouse effect on Earth will be stronger - because the first molecules matter more - but it won't be exceedingly stronger. At any rate, when numbers are taken into account, you shouldn't expect any substantial influence of CO2 on Earth.
But let us return to the planets that are known to be currently warming.
Earth
The Earth is currently experiencing warming, too, although a less dramatic one than the previous examples. However, there is apparently a huge difference. The warming on the previous planets and moons was natural. On the other hand, the warming on Earth couldn't evolve naturally: it is caused by the humankind, evil corporations, and their intelligent design, most left-wing scientists believe. The warming trends can't have anything to do with the Sun whose activity is now highest in the last 1000 years: it is unethical to propose that the Sun plays any role, consensus scientists argue.
Google Planets Warming for more information.
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Permalink Reply by Kurt Stiffel on -
stop posting here, let this blog die... I'm an environmentalist since I like the planet and want it to survive for my kids and their kids, actually the planet will survive , i just dont want the planet to purge us as a species.
however, in the case of the PickensPlan, we go to CNG cars (compressed natural gas) ,its better then the alternative of waiting for Electric Vehicles(EV) , when EV cars catch up and can be built in masse we will go to them
In the interim this BLOG is STUPID , its offpoint, even to an environmentalist, I'm here to fix and free America first , once we have $10,000,000,000,000 TRILLION in the bank ,we can fix a lot of other issues..
ignore this blog , dont post here unless we want to waste time on idiotic off subject issues
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Permalink Reply by Michelle on -
If you drive the car for the robbery, you are tried and convicted with your peers.
If you piss only one drop in a glass with someone elses, then yours is still in there.
Our Co2 emissions are in the air along with everyone elses. Okay... let's suppose that someone else puts up 50 percent and we put up 25 percent. If we cease doing it, we've cut a big chunk out of Co2. Granted, it's only our 25 percent.
I mean face it folks.... do you know where the Co2 goes once it goes into the atmosphere? What changes it to something inert? Nothing. It's there and won't go away in our lifetimes.
But I think that many are missing the point here. Who cares.
The point is that we are spending money, $700 Billion, of OUR money here in the USA. It's going overseas. What's going on here is to spend it here. Keep the wealth here by keeping the energy development here.
I don't know that it matters which technologies we ultimately choose as long as we make a commitment, a real commitment, to renewable sources and produce power on our continent. All of the consumables will be gone some day.
And I don't know about you, but I want the last nation on earth that still has some oil. It's pretty handy to have around to make things like plastics, pharmaceutical supplies, food wrap, tires... you get the picture.
Michelle
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Permalink Reply by hbhansen on -
Good post!
The only problem is congress has bankrupted the country to the tune of 10's of trillions of dollars. And its getting worse everyday!
If you had a trillion seconds, how many years would that make?
Answer: 32,000 years!
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Permalink Reply by Levi on -
I couldn't agree more. But it does not change that fact that we are sending our dollars over seas. Clean is better than dirty and American dollars in American hands is better than American dollars in the hands of Saudi oil barrons.
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Aalfs on -
The introduction to Monckton's article at APS site:
"The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review, since that is not normal procedure for American Physical Society newsletters. The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007: "Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate.""
The APs has NOT reversed its position; it has merely published Monckton's (non-peer-reviewed) paper challenging what IS a consensus among climatologists (stated above).
Please don't misrepresent the truth to support your beliefs...ja
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Permalink Reply by hbhansen on
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Nice baby pic...lucky you!
Now look at your baby and tell me you know everything about how he/she was made and grows??? To much to think about right, still too much we humans dont know about our own bodies...the news about health changes every day from new studies done.
Bingo...the earths temp and weather are a trillion times more complex...think about it.
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Permalink Reply by Phineas Sprague Jr. on -
Nineteen Words: Carbon dioxide increase lags temperature change so increase in CO2 can not be the cause of global climate change.
Climate change is the NORM. Look for something else as the cause but concentrate on mitigating significant imediate threats....there are plenty of them!
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Permalink Reply by Michelle on
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Phineas,
8 words: You notice I don't talk about climate change.
However, with that said, let's take a look at your logic. If you drink two gallons of vodka, you will get drunk and then you will die. From your logic, vodka would not be the cause of your death.
But with that said, you read more into my words than that which is printed. I think that the problem that follows is a real killer.
Michelle
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Permalink Reply by mike on -
I tend to agree with Michelle's discussion points. I posted a story the other day which cuts to the chase on the Climate Change issue. In it I pointed out that Climate Change is happening no matter who is to blame for it and we must all deal with the consequences and there is where we should be focusing our energies.
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Permalink Reply by Phineas Sprague Jr. on
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Michelle, I am going to discount your Vodka comparison because the argument structure is s a logical fallacy. One of the most prevalent errors in scientific thinking or economic thinking or logical thinking is to mix up causation with correlation. It is necessary to create a logical path to correctly define the problem before looking for a solution. If the science demonstrates that CO2 is not the cause of Climate change, then we are discussing a problem related to other phenomena, where if we remove climate change data we have extremely contradictory information. The CO2 debate appears to be masked by climate change which is a much larger phenomina. The scientific process would ideally be apolitical. To think about the science one has to cut through the political and socially imposed belief system and operate in the rational realm. There are numerous theories on anthropomorphic co2’s impact pick any one you personally are attracted to. Many of them are ad Populum fallacies which put the general public (Who make the political climate for the politicians) into a fantasy world where wishful thinking and not reality drives the political decision making. National energy policy created by Jane Fonda is a good example. I offer that when a decision is made based upon incorrect information or assumptions there are REAL WORLD consequences, some of them could be negative.
Unfortunately it is the nature of political science that you and I could vote today to keep the tide out if we discounted all of the contrary data.think of the real world consequences of planning based upon that vote. In Science one person on the back of an envelope could disprove Einstein.
Having made this statementI I would like to insulate my self from the inevitable ad hominum attack.. I am all about taking care of the environment this concern for the environment is not mutually exclusive with a rigorous scientific inquiry into the assertions and theories….. But lets get real here WE need significant new energy sources YESTERDAY in order to maintain our quality of life. Better late than never. This reality is not hypothetical. The ECONOMIC pain that is reducing our quality of life and we are all feeling is real and directly related to fantasy world thinking and decisions for the past 30 years . "We have met the enemy and it is us!" THAT IS THE PROBLEM! What is the solution, if it is not based upoon getting good information for real world decisions?
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