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Hydrogen Power

Why can't we bring together 4 or 5 Billionaires to form a consorsium to develope affordable hydrogen power for cars and homes and businesses. Hydrogen power is developed but not economically. If the government offers this consorsium exclusive rights to produce the affordable hydrogen engine for cars and hydrogen power for homes and business for approx. 5 years (exclusive rights), which would be a great incentive to solve the problem.

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Permalink Reply by Ken Goss on July 31, 2008 at 8:38pm
John Jackson,

Good luck with your hydrogen plans. I sincerely hope that you find a niche and build a successful business out of it. While on an emotional basis I would like to see hydrogen fuel all over the country, as an automotive engineer, I do not see it making much of an impact on our personal transportation sector for many of the reasons that have already been expressed in this discussion. The physics just doesn't make for good economics and in the end economics rules the day.

Ken Goss
Permalink Reply by Anna on July 29, 2008 at 10:37am
This is a great idea to help the middle class working families.
Permalink Reply by mustang190 on July 31, 2008 at 9:41pm
I'm looking at this from a cost benifit ratio, and hydrogen does not pass the test. It requires special handling and tankers to transport it,ie. refrigerated, very expensive! Look up a company called Air Products they make diffrent forms of hydrogen, very dangerous and unstable.
Plus the amount of electricity needed to produce hydrogen is another story, just my 2 cents.
Permalink Reply by John Jackson on July 31, 2008 at 9:54pm
You have common misconceptions. If you read my post below and read my website we have a cure for all of the issues you mention.

Our program is based on compressed hydrogen gas. According to the review on my website by an independent auto review source the Honda FCX is getting 68 mpg eqv. to gasoline. My reply to you is the same as it is to every other person that says hydrogen is not "efficient". These are the first generation production vehicles (the Honda FCX Clarity and the GM Equinox SUV FCV) and we will see even better improvement as the tech progesses. Our goal is to rid our country of dependence on foreign oil and reduce domestic consumption. Are fuel cell vehicles at their peak of performance yet? No, but they will improve just as production and compression units will improve. Remember our goal. Use ALL alternatives we can to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil. I am all for el vehicles, hybrid vehicles and any other type of transportation that will get us off foreign oil. My program is a grassroots effort to build a network of fueling stations. With a simple 10% participation of the driving age public of our $59.95 (less than a tank of gas for most) we can build the first 900 locations and cover most of the middle of the country and the southwest to tie to the existing locations in California. Our program is unlike any other you will see because we will actually provide the participants discounts back that will in most cases double the amount or more of their package in return. It allows us to not have investors to satisfy with immediate profits and let the production of the first wave of vehicles catch up to our locations. At that point we can build locations everywhere and other options like the Honda Home fueling station will be able to lessen the demand for the current setup of a station on every corner. Simple, basic SOLUTION. If people would spend their time looking for solutions to the problem instead of bashing other peoples plans that are legitimate and us having to spend time make the same points over and over we could all get more accomplished. Someone with your apparent background in the production area of hydrogen could be working on a solution to improving production capabilities and being a part of the solution.
If you took the time to read my plan or my website you would see we are using solar and wind power on site to produce the product. I know it is not the most profitable use of the power and I have already stated on other posts and yes I could make more money by putting the power in the grid. But I am looking for a solution to end our fopreign oil dependence. My common sense approach is use current existing technology (hydrogen production, compression, and storage units) combined with renewable (solar and wind power) to generate hydrogen for Fuel Cell Vehicles that are ready for mass production and only need fueling stations to be available to the general public according to execs from both Honda and GM. All of the propaganda that lack of efficiency in production of hydrogen, better use of power to the grid, better to use el vehicles that only go 200 miles on a charge, and other things I keep answering over and over just amaze me. How much better can it be for our country and the enivironment to produce hydrogen fuel from solar and wind power for cars that are ready to be made that the first generation is getting 280 miles on a fuel up that we can provide for about $25 pretax? Sorry for the length and info in the post but I know the next questions and comments coming and I am trying to be as "efficient " with my time as I can
Permalink Reply by John Breitling on August 2, 2008 at 11:30am
I guess we all agree to disagree. I still agree with John Jackson on the potential of hydrogen. Maybe we all need to also look at air power as discribed below. What do you think? Is this air car for real?
Subject: air car



AMAZING AIR CAR FROM INDIA



This is the same company which-a few months back-invented

a car that costs only $2500 new. BUT it's not available in

the USA . Why is it that a gasless vehicle that eliminates the

reason to buy oil from foreign countries hasn't nipped the

minds of US manufacturers? How bad can this be for anybody,

anywhere in the world -- except for foreign oil?



AMAZING AIR CAR!




The Compressed Air Car, developed by

Motor Development International (MDI)

Founder Guy Negre, might be the best thing to

happen to the motor engine, and people all

over the world.

The $12,700 CityCAT, one of the planned

Air Car models, reaches 68 mph, goes for a

range of 125 miles. It will take only a few

minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at

gas stations equipped with custom air

compressor units. MDI says it should cost

only around $2 to fill the car up with

340 liters of air!

The Air Car will be starting production soon,

thanks to India 's TATA Motors.

Forget corn! That's a joke.

There's fuel, user friendly, pocketbook

friendly fuel! What can be better than air?

Cool Concept :)










6-seater taxi should be available in India in 2008:




Now If We will just DEMAND this technology

in the USA , we can tell Saudi Arabia ,

Venezuela & dirty foreign oil to take a hike!

In the meantime we suffer because of the

worst do nothing Congress in US history.
Permalink Reply by John Jackson on August 2, 2008 at 12:05pm
As soon as I saw the first post on it I did a Google search and found it to be for real. The only problem was the first line in the article I read said it would never make it to America because of serious safety concerns. Something about no way it would ever pass crash test requirements etc. I am for any good, safe option but find it hard to say good things about any vehicle I wouldn't let my wife and daughter use. Maybe they can improve it because it would definately be easy to put compressors in place to "fill it up".
Permalink Reply by Gerald G Flood on August 3, 2008 at 1:29pm
What we really need is to begin using SPELL CHECK!!
Permalink Reply by Tom Savage on November 13, 2008 at 11:07am
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