use water as fuel does it work??

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Permalink Reply by H-Tom on July 29, 2008 at 9:43am

I am in the process of having the moulds built for the generator design , these are very expensive injection moulds, but yes we are going to have one for the market for DIESEL engines which work very well with added hydrogen, and when I had my Diesel truck tested for the emissions they were unbelievable, you obviousley have a beliefe that this does not work, YOU are wrong and so are those engineers you Believe , try your own tests then you can say if it doesn't work , I have tested and it does work, dont believe all the engineers, believe in your self, WELL

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Permalink Reply by neil cox on July 29, 2008 at 10:40am

At the risk of being negative, making hydrogen from water as you drive will give very disappointig results. If you use electricity, you get only a tiny amount of hydrgen before you are endangering the alternator in your vehicle. Your alternator takes more energy from your motor than the electricity it produces. The hydrogen has less energy than the alternator supplied by at least two times.
If you make the hydrogen at home and put the hydrogen in your car, the efficiency is about 25%. That's not too bad, if the energy from gasoline costs five to ten times the cost of energy from your power company. That is typical. You may eventually save enough to pay for the vehical modification and the electroysis unit, Does the electrloysis unit have a very long life expectancy and/or is it easily repaired? Possibly it takes less of your time to connect the electroysis unit to your car every 30 miles than to buy gas every 300 miles. If your car carrys more than 30 miles worth of compressed hydrogen, the hydrogen tank is likely taking up significant cargo or passenger space.
Natural gas under high pressure or electric car is typically a little better. CNG = cyrogenic natural gas or liquid hydrogen or fuel cells typically is not a present option, except at very high cost, nor are they better, except for longer range, and reduced polution.
If you use photovoltaic panels to make all or part of your electricity, the long term cost is typically double what you would pay the electric company. Unusual circumstances, and low cost photovoltaics can make break even probable in the future. You need to consider that you may move to a different house soon and the buyer of your house will likely think your photovoltaic panels are worth nothing. Moving them to your new house is expensive, especially if your new house is less faorable for photovoltaic. Generally gasoline is less bother for the vehicle owner, but I agree, we need cut our gasoline use drasticaly. Neil

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Permalink Reply by DubleDeuce on July 31, 2008 at 6:11pm

If you built a kit to back up all this snake oil marketing, sooner or later someone would call you out and demand thatthe contraption really work.

With books, you are protected from actually having to KNOW anything about what your talking abut. A book of your own personal rantings and ravings is protected from functional and technical scrutiny by the doctrine of print freedom (NOT the 1st Amendment)

But, there is more opportunity for gross profits on the SALE of the book then on the sale of some Rube Goldberg contraption.

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Permalink Reply by G, Eugene Calvert on July 29, 2008 at 11:37am

You "techies" sure baffle me but "that produced somewhere else" thing is a very big and deliberately ignored or obfuscated aspect of all discussions about energy. It must be considered or as I have said , we continue to shoot ourselves in our feet.

I have proposed the use of the words based on "synergy" to cover all discussions of energy so used. "Ethanol" from corn, for example, taken back to how the guy traveled to work the morning he had the "brainstorm" and all the synergistic effort since should probably have made the idea DOA. Now it's entrenched.

Maybe still time to NOT pay oil companies to go out in the south Indian Ocean with yet to be synergistically developed technology and the same for the systems and devices to go deep in the ocean before they go deeper in the earth there to get some oil that will need to be transported forever after by the synergistic burning of oil to power ships to get it ashore while very expensively maintained and crewed helicopters
fly the rig crews back and forth to their families on the mainland, FOREVER.

Score for this plan- Oil companies and their tax receiving governments, Zillions of dollars, plus. Vehicle using common folks-- Zillions of dollars, minus. Pickens Plan proposing free wind power for ever. Synergistic aspects already developed , a thousand times simpler and several thousand miles nearer. Go Pickens Plan!

And to you all including techies", my regards.

Galen Calvert
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Permalink Reply by DubleDeuce on July 31, 2008 at 6:14pm

Synergy is a mental construct, NOT a scientifically valid observation that can be reproduced at will.

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Permalink Reply by Hank Kelly on July 29, 2008 at 9:40am

H-Tom,

Maybe I'm a gullible fish, but I beleive you. I am among the technically challenged so arguments both pro and con largely escape me. Excess electricity from our alternators runs the fans, CD players, lights and every other accessory on our vehicles so what's the problem with using some in the electrolytic process? It seems alternators are necessary unless you enjoy starting your truck with a hand crank. If we can return a portion of otherwise squandered electrical energy to forward motion via hydrogen that's a plus.

I'm not an engineer obviously, I don't even play one on TV, but it seems that with our internal combustion engines we produce a lot of wasted energy....mainly in the form of heat. How come some of you geniuses never figured a way to focus this vented energy to our pistons. If every third or fourth stroke were supplemented by steam generated by our cooling system that would increase efficiency...Or could this heat be harnessed in such a way as to drive electrolysis or charge batteries?

I remember back in the '70's you'd hear these urban legend type rumors about someone inventing the 100 mpg carburetor or some water injection system. These inventions would then see the patents quickly bought by the oil companies.
Never gave it much credence, but now that I've learned that Chevron purchased the rights to the NiMHD battery I'm not so sure. That's the one that greatly extends the range of electric cars.

Anyway, I'm going to have to get my boat trailer lights to work before I tackle something more ambitious like a hydrogen system for my Jeep. But, I am interested and I am in awe of all you technical types...keep it up.

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Permalink Reply by G, Eugene Calvert on July 29, 2008 at 10:29am

Hi Hank,
The reason is that vehicle alternators are the best for converting a little excess engine power to your vehicle's electrical needs. I tried another way for a couple years. Costly learning your friendly patent attorney and Patent Examiner will not tell you: There are probably hundreds of such "inventions" patented. Patents BTW protect the inventor from someone else infringing on his or her idea no matter how bad, erroneous , etc. ALL, including mine simply add to the engine power load coming from chemistry of fuel coming from sun's activity a few billion years ago. The extra load makes the engine or hard to believe, the engine in the vehicle you are drafting on WORK HARDER. Ask semi and racing car drivers. For fun go to USPTO.GOV, "Patent Search and check it out. I think proposals for mounting capturing devices for wind force from passing vehicles suck the energy out of the chemestry of the fuel of the passing vehicles. Keep you Jeep and boat trailer away from them If you want to do something positive try tarping the entire space from your jeep to the back of your boat with some really smooth outside material, the lighter the better. Let me know your improved mileage. Advice otherwise free to you and all your friends but snce you mention TV the screen play based on my life , needs only a little "tweeking" to be better than a lot on TV these days. If you are handsome enough you might play me. LOL .
Galen Calvert

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Permalink Reply by Hank Kelly on July 31, 2008 at 6:45pm

Thanks for the reply Galen...great info! Now I know where to go to get a patent on my rare earth magnet dry fly energizer.

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Permalink Reply by DubleDeuce on July 31, 2008 at 6:49pm

It was proposed in 1812 to do away with the patent office as it appeared at the time that EVERYTHING that was going to be invented HAD been invented. Judging from your story of useless patents <<Patents BTW protect the inventor from someone else infringing on his or her idea no matter how bad, erroneous >> I can see why they had come to that conclusion.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Smoley on July 29, 2008 at 11:31am

No, there is no "excess energy" from the alternator. If your car is running at an idle, and you put jumper cables from your vehicle to a dead battery, your engine slows down as the load is added. Same when you jump start another vehicle. If you don't add gas, it could even stall out your vehicle. Also, alternators get hot under load. This is lost energy (to the vehicle).
How about taking an alternator, hooking it up to a fan and mounting that on your car to generate electricity? Sounds good, but the added air resistance is greater than the alternator can generate. Only works down hill.
You can't even measure your mileage with any consistency. Why not? Gasoline expands and contracts by temperature. How full is the tank? It would contain less gas if it were very cold. This is why modern cars have multiple sensors connected to a computer to make sure the air & gas entering the engine is at the correct ratio, and the timing of the ignition is also correct. Start blowing even a small amount of HHO into the air intake and there goes the precision. Anything that messes this up will cause a loss of fuel efficiency. So, why do people seem to get good results? #1 They are more careful in their driving habits. #2. They haven't properly gotten accurate measures of their mileage in the first place. #3. The don't want to admit they have been duped. #4, they are part of the scam and want to sell you something. Why is no one selling the actual kit with a guarantee that it will work or money back? Why are they only selling instructions?

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Permalink Reply by H-Tom on July 29, 2008 at 11:35am

DIESEL engines do not have those type of sensors to overcome, it does work on diesels,

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Smoley on July 31, 2008 at 6:10am

The only valid link to a diesel system shows a 10% gain on heavy trucks. Diesel is more efficient the heavier the load; compared to gasoline. Their unit costs $15,000. The site also seems to indicate that they are adding only the hydrogen to the engine, not HHO.
I don't know why the unit should cost that much.
The problem is that there are people selling instructions (not systems) for use in gasoline powered automobiles. No guarantee and the addition of the device turns the engine into an illegal pollution maker.
Have you tested your vehicle for emissions before and after the install?

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