use water as fuel does it work??
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Permalink Reply by Mike Johnston on -
Yes I do and they don't work. They can't possibly produce enough gas to make any impact. Independent lab tests of such a device on a heavy truck verify this.
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Permalink Reply by Charles Roeder on -
Someone seems to have invented a way to use the hydrogen in water as a fuel. I dont know how its done but they have got Michael Jordan investing millions of dollars on a prototype that is almost complete
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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on -
This guy needs to take off his shades and read the right research materials, articles, videos and books.
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Permalink Reply by DubleDeuce on -
Yeah! And look what happened to “Madame Marie Curie" (Marie Sklodowska Curie) http://www.aip.org/history/curie/brief/01_poland/poland_1.html
AND her husband after they discovered the mysterious and forbidden element Radium. They BOTH mysteriously died. He from a collision of a government owned and operated horse and wagon (was this evidence of a government conspiracy to silence him and to stop his inquiry into Radium for medical treatment of illnesses?) and her of some rare and unknown radiation sickness.
Curiouser and Curiouser.
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Smoley on -
Gee, Mrs. Curie works with radioactive elements and doesn't understand about shielding or radioactivity or what this can do and she dies of radiation poisoning. Must be a conspiracy of big oil companies to prevent someone from inventing a nuclear powered car. :-)
They also must have bribed the horse to kill her husband.
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Permalink Reply by Roger E. Sowell on -
Jeff,
LOL. Or, it may have been Bush's fault...just like he brought Katrina to Nawlins...
Funny, how we don't hear people saying much now that Ike devastated Houston and surrounding areas. Was that Bush's fault, too?
Who knew that the Pickens Plan site would be so funny?
HHO...is that even politically correct to pronounce? :-)
Roger Sowell
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Permalink Reply by kathleen huff on -
Meyer wasn't the only one that died after creating a device to improve fuel mileage!...try googling Tom Ogle!...he died after turning down $25.1 million from Shell Oil...he too died of what may have been poisoning!...the GOOD NEWS IS...his patent has expired and ANYONE can build it...go into the U.S. PATENT office website and search for his device...you can also locate it by searching 'Fuel Vaporizers' (sp?)...
also as for Hydrogen...can someone check this out for me? It's an instructional manual to modify your own vehicle.
http://catridge.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net
if it works i'd like to give it a try!
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Smoley on
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The size of the atom or molecule doesn't have much to do with the volume of gas it creates at a certain temperature. I would have to show you some fairly simple equations for this, but since you have a problem with simple arithmetic....
Remember, there is NO, none, zip, zero extra oxygen to burn the fuel, you start with two hydrogen and one oxygen and you end up with two hydrogen and one oxygen. Basic arithmetic.
You also have an oxygen sensor (unless you disable it) which might sense the slightly higher amount of oxygen and change the signals going to the engine.
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Permalink Reply by DubleDeuce on
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Everybody keep harping on this O2 sensor and its place in the great scheme of things when burning hydrogen. Its a NON starter. You zero out the sensor and give the computer a constant .5 volt (indicating a balanced or stoichiometric burn) signal. Hydrogen as a gas would be injected into the system and would combine with ambient free oxygen in the induction air. The quantity of hydrogen could be controlled by a simple (by todays standard) "calculated volume" or speed/volume of air. This is the SAME system as was used in the computer controlled engine management systems before the advent of the MAF or Mass Air Flow Sensor. (engine RPM X engine displacement in cid X number of cylinders X corrected factor for atmospheric pressure and air tempearture)
Since a MISFIRE of the air/hydrogen mix is HIGHLY unlikely, no concern is given for an excess of hydrogen even if it does happen. (unless the EPA decides to get into the act and wants to regulate hydrogen emissions at the tail pipe)
The fuel (hydrogen) control is subject only to the engine speed. No injectors would be used (as we know them today) as they would be too large for the quantity of gaseous hydrogen needed to power the engine (remember, hydrogen has an EXTREMELY low quantity of heat density per volume of gas at standard sea level and ambient air temperature) The hydrogen would flow through a normal gaseous carburetor and enter the intake manifold and on to the cylinder for processing in the conventional Otto Cycle. (OK, kill the carb and we will go with a modified Hillborn set up with tuned induction pipes)
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Smoley on
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DD, adding hydrogen works, but adding hydrogen and oxygen produced by the power of the engine doesn't. You can't generate enough HHO to produce more power than it takes to generate the HHO.
Now, in a diesel vehicle (since they have larger alternators and batteries) it might be possible to get some gain, but no where near what is being claimed. The only company that has been presented here that actually makes a product only claims 7 to 10 percent increased MPG. The sellers of the instructions claim, 30% to 50% or more. In a commercial truck 7% over time is good, but with a cost of $15k, the ROI is way to long.
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Permalink Reply by DubleDeuce on
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I never said it didn't. All I am saying it is ain't worth the $15,000 and the Rube Goldberg contraption that it takes to put the thing together. The "run my car on water" premise is a NON starter.
I DON'T subscribe to the "sumpthin fer nuttin" crowd. (Unless I'm running the 3 card Monte game)
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