use water as fuel does it work??

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Permalink Reply by Danny Stark on April 24, 2009 at 4:30pm

Look, you can't get more energy out of a system that you put in, you can't even break even due to heat and friction losses... IS NONSENSE! Unless you are old school! Better do some research!!

Try this link and learn... Goto Gracetime.com select hydro fuels button for videos and listen to what Peter Lindemann says about Stanley Meyers patent.flv..

http://www.lifeandstory.org/tv/dl.php?key=Meyers_model

Pay particular attention to the ending conclusion!!! A scientist / PHD

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Permalink Reply by Mike Johnston on July 31, 2008 at 7:27am

Yes, you could do that but I don't think the cost of the required storage equipment as well as the conversion of the car to run on hydrogen would justify the expense for most consumers.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Smoley on August 1, 2008 at 2:20pm

Sure, if you use another source of energy to create hydrogen, put it into a tank onboard your car, not problem if you retune the vehicle. What I am saying is that you can't use the power of the vehicle to create more power.

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Permalink Reply by DubleDeuce on August 2, 2008 at 12:04am

ANY method of electrical production (solar panels or home based wind turbines) can be used to electrolyze the water molecule. A simple method can be used to COMPRESS that hydrogen for storage. And YES, that hydrogen can be used in a 70% conversion efficient hydrogen fuel cell to produce electricity to power the hybrid motors of the current (limited) fleet of Hybrid cars and SUV's.

The ISSUE is COSTS. Some take the short view and say, why invest $15,000 in a solar paneled roof and a hydrogen compressor and storage tank to operate a $35,000 car for free (at least at speeds under 40 mph and distances of 40 miles a day). when the payback for $4 a gallon oil is 20 years. Better to invest the 50 grand at 5-6% while the technology sorts itself out and have the money available to buy one of them cars that will run on tap water in 15 years.

Others might take the LONG view (these are the people that just HAD to have the first generation iPhone @ 600 a pop) and make the investment in the panels, the pump, and the car. These are people that LIKE new things and also think that they are making a contribution to the planet with clean, renewable technology and are also providing a leadership position to those of use still pushing around that coal fired steam powered car of the late 18th century. I applaud them for their faith and commitment but the time value of money says NO, even at 4 bucks a gallon.

Yes, it CAN be done and YES, I do believe it will be a sizable part of the solar/hydrogen market. But cooler heads say "wait for the next quantum leap" in solar panel technology". This next generation of panels will be cheaper per watt to buy and more efficient in terms of foot print. In the meantime, save your coins and let the market shake out. There will be a lot of losers in this business before there are any winners. Don't the first on your block to own the next Edsel or Betamax video recorder.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Smoley on August 2, 2008 at 4:51am

I agree, the next generation vehicle forum I started is using all new technology for the engine, generator, batteries and electric motors. I guess I could use LED tail lights too.
I have been looking at solar for my home, 20 to 30 year ROI is just too long. Wind is currently useless where I live, average speed is 5.6 mph. Until someone figures out how to generate electricity at that speed, I can't use wind. No natural gas in my area. Even trying to save some electricity by installing a propane tankless water heater and range is out of my budget, they want $10k just to install the tank. $1k to install a $1k water heater and $6k to run a gas line to where my stove is. They are charging over $200.00 per hour (per person) for labor for this type of work. I know several doctors who are thinking about changing professions. :-)

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Permalink Reply by steve on August 5, 2008 at 3:50pm

try an electric tankless, still better than the old tank. you also could buy a solar water heater for for 1/10th the price you are talking about. is the tank you are looking at made out of gold?

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Permalink Reply by Kathy Lee Hart on July 24, 2008 at 8:47am

stanley kul - perhaps you are aware of these sites/person but I'll leave them here anyway - just in case.

The Japanese say they have it & will start production soon see uk.reuters - http://uk.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561

This one from Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer - speaks to an American named Stan Meyer - much controversy regarding him - he died in '97 - but worked on this idea - saying he had accomplished it - some say murdered for it.

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Permalink Reply by Mark and Priscilla Stefan on July 24, 2008 at 9:30am

There are several folks working on the process of developing a hydrogen generator which separates the hydrogen from water so it can be burned in a carborator. One fellow is in Tampa. It is working. The by-product of it it water.

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Permalink Reply by tomo on July 24, 2008 at 10:16am

Great info Kathy Lee! Thanks for sharing.....T

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Smoley on July 27, 2008 at 3:18pm

As an engineer, I doubt the Japanese idea can work. The only way I can see this working is if they have found a way to break down water chemically; perhaps using a catalyst. Then they should be patenting it and perhaps winning the Nobel prize. See the link to the professor. Even if they can do this, I don't see how 1 liter of water could produce enough energy of any kind to run the vehicle for as long as claimed.

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Permalink Reply by Joe Jefferis on July 28, 2008 at 5:02pm

Jeff,

Please take a look at the Stanley Meyer patents I've posted. Mr. Meyer used magnetism (catalyst) to destabilize the H2O molecule before introducing the low voltage. You are better trained to understand the patent narratives. I hope you can read through them with an open mind. Do they give Nobel prizes after death?

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Permalink Reply by Jeff Smoley on July 29, 2008 at 7:59am

There are patents issued for things that don't work. If his patents had viable technology, someone would be using them now they are no longer protected.
Magnetism doesn't destabilize water. It has no effect. Here is a simple test you can do:
Put a flat piece of glass above a table, using 4 bricks or whatever so that you have room below the glass for your hand. Put a drop of water on the glass.
Take the strongest magnet you can find (from an old speaker, remove the magnet) or buy a new powerful rare earth magnet and move it below the water drop and you will see that nothing happens. You can even put a drop of blood and nothing will happen even though blood (red blood cells) contains hemoglobin, an iron compound. BTW, we did this in high school in 1964.
Now, if you had a very powerful electromagnet, and could alter the frequency of the AC current being applied, then you might be able to increase the temperature of the water. This is basically what an induction stove is doing to your pots. However, you would still need more power to destablize the water than could be gained by burning HH & O. I don't care how many patents there are, no one (so far) has been able to get around the laws of thermodynamics.

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