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I am concern about our Environment, and I understand our Feather Friends ( Birds ) could be in danger with Wind Farms.

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Permalink Reply by jim on July 25, 2008 at 11:32am
bird brains will adjust, I'm tired of supporting the middle east
Permalink Reply by simon tarsnane on July 25, 2008 at 12:36pm
Robert, a little perspective. The National Wind Coordinating Comittee (studying turbine/bird collisions) say,"....Based on current estimates, windplant related avian collision fatalities probably represent from 0.01% to 0.02% of avian collision fatalities in the U.S" (that's 1 out of every 5,000 to 10,000 birds).
Here are the big killers: Power lines 130 to 174 million, auto collisions, 60 to 80 million, tall buildings (hang onto your hat here!)100 million to 1 BILLION, communication towers, 40 to 50 million, agricultural pesticides, (not known for sure but estimated at) 67 million, Cats (a Wisconsin State only tally) 39 million.
You can see that wind tower/avian collisions are one of the smallest categories. However, if wind farms sprout up as Mr Pickens wants, I suppose there will have to be more power lines erected to carry the juice. Is it possible to put these lines underground? Is there some other way of delivering the power from the farm to wherever it is going? Invent some sort of Semi which is essentially a massive battery that is charged at the farm and which then drives to its destination and discharges at the receiving end? (Of course, the truck will be natural gas powered!) Simon.
Permalink Reply by Robert m wojciechowski sr on July 25, 2008 at 5:37pm
simon tarsnane, Thank you for the information, those numbers are stagering, obviously it is more important to look to getting off of oil and not buying oil from rogue nations. But we are not alone on this planet,, and birds, many of them are beautiful and prefom tasks daily, that many people are not aware of. So if there is a way to prevent more of our feather friends from being killed that would be great, if its not to expensive. I am not with any organization, I enjoy and love all the animals God created, and especially our feather friends. I am looking forward to Mr. Pickens harnessing Natural Gas with his plan. Not so much wind farms.
Permalink Reply by Rob O'Neill on July 25, 2008 at 12:40pm
Oh please!
Birds die every day by flying into glass windows, so we should get rid of glass because of the dumb birds?
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Permalink Reply by Colorado Bob on July 25, 2008 at 1:00pm
Robert ..

There's several wind techs floating around this place. (They have the best photos from the top of the turbines.)

Ask them .

This guy's at Sweetwater Texas :


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Permalink Reply by Robert m wojciechowski sr on July 28, 2008 at 3:55pm
bob marencin, What you have stated in your response is exciteidly how I fell about the future. The more I learn about Wind Farms, Solar, Natural Gas, the more I realize they are the future of our Children and Grandchildren.

Mr. Pickens Plan is headed in the right direction. Thank you for your insight.
Permalink Reply by Paul on July 25, 2008 at 8:16pm
Bob.. which is MORE important: a HUMAN or BIRD? The average speed of a wind turbine on a large scale wind farm is about 1rpm. If a bird cannot get out of the way of something that SLOW.. it deserves to die! "Survival of the Quickest" ;-)
Permalink Reply by David Watts on July 25, 2008 at 9:30pm
Right on brother!
Permalink Reply by Paul on July 25, 2008 at 9:41pm
sorry for the TYPO! the Average speed of a wind farm turbine is 1 (ONE) revolution per SECOND. Those blades are 70 - 100ft long and move very slow. Add this to Simon's stats and the birds have nothing to worry about. Cheers!
Permalink Reply by Paul on July 25, 2008 at 9:45pm
sorry for the GRAMMAR.. those blades move very SLOWLY.. there, that's better! :-P
Permalink Reply by Robert m wojciechowski sr on July 28, 2008 at 3:38pm
Thanks Paul for your information and understanding.
Permalink Reply by Danny Smith on July 25, 2008 at 10:52pm
I think the biddest problem our contry is facing right now is that no matter what solutions are proposed there is always somene to find something ( either real or fictional) to put it down. we need to start pushing things forward and not stall them so we can waste money doing studies that never conclude anything except more studies are needed. (Talk about job security whew)

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