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Drilling is NOT a solution!!!!!

Why people cannot understand drilling today we will only see the first barrel of oil coming out of the ground in more than 5 years? You need to get all the infrastructure built before start drilling. Jeez....

Drilling will not lower that price of gas tomorrow. If it does it just to show the oil price is all speculation. Drilling will only make oil companies rich. The ANWAR oil reserve is equivalent to what US uses in about 6 months. When that is gone what you're going to do?

Short term solution is conservation. Use less oil. Use less gas. We need to stop this addiction!

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Permalink Reply by Hank Kelly on July 27, 2008 at 2:50pm
Antonio,
To me and you it's crystal clear. Drilling in ANWAR or on our continental shelf is fruitless. If anything it only prolongs the future of the oilies and feeds our addiction to petroleum. But, participating in these forums has led me to conclude that the large majority of participants favor drilling. "We need to do it all" or "We can't be independant in 10 years". Whatever misguided reasons they may have they STILL stubbornlly adhere to this insanity.

The real question of relevance here is: Does Pickens advocate drilling? His TV commercial claims that we can't drill our way out of this emergency. Now the 148 dollar a barrel question is will Pickens make his anti-drilling comment his policy? Or can an old oil-dog really learn new tricks?
Permalink Reply by Alan McMurray on August 5, 2008 at 7:30am
I agree it in no way suggests that we shouldn't drill at all. If we can just sustain ourselves until we get the alternatives online it will help all of us. I think most everyone realizes that the oil is coming to an end and we need to change our thinking and start getting this country switched over to alternative renewable fuels.
Permalink Reply by Tom Zellars on August 3, 2008 at 4:06pm
Oh my god! You want to see some stubborn people? I have another blog called, Drill, drill, drill...I'm sick to my stomach! They say drilling the hell out of this country will increase supply and magically bring oil prices down to $60 a barrel. Yeah, RIGHT! The minute they make an oil discovery, speculators will be all over it and public demand for this new oil field will skyrocket! We'll just go back to our comfortable energy-guzzling lifestyles and our keep our SUVs, sports cars, and luxury vehicles. At our current rate of oil consumption, we use 21 million barrels of oil a year! If we go back to our previous lifestyles, that number will increase greatly over the coming years, just like it always has! No matter how much we drill in this country, we will never meet demand and become independent of foriegn oil! We need to save the cheap oil for future generations to use for plastics, chemicals, fertilizers and lubricants. There are many technologies being developed to replace oil. One of the most recent discoveries is Algae-to-Oil. Algae uses photosynthesis to create oil and other byproducts. One acre of algae can produce 20,000 gallons of oil per year! Every single algae cell is comprised of 50% oil! There you go! It uses CO2, water and sunlight and creates high-yeild cheap oil! I found several good forums on this website about it. Just put in a forum search for "Algae" and you'll 354 results and counting!

One really good forum was: Algae Bio Mass Farms can produce up to 20,000 gallons of oil per acre per year!
http://push.pickensplan.com/forum/topic/show?id=2187034%3ATopic%3A7...

Here's a company called OriginOil, here's their website:
www.originoil.com/

Here's an article and video from wcco.com, runned by CBS:
http://www.wcco.com/national/algae.energy.independence.2.731292.html

Here's another article about drilling in ANWR:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/

Here's the link to my forum:
http://push.pickensplan.com/forum/topic/show?id=2187034%3ATopic%3A1...

Tell me what you think!
Permalink Reply by Richard Bibb on August 8, 2008 at 6:16am
Tom:

No where ahve I ever heard any responsible perosn advocate that by drilling for oil domestically we can solve our energy issues. But it is an extremely arrogant positon for the United States to, in essence say to the rest of the world, "we have some oil reserves (the amount debatable but we DO have some) but we'd rather you bear the risk of extracting whatever you ahve and sell it to us cheaply and we aren't going to lift a finger to add to our own supply".

As you point out we are going to need oil for a variety of things (maybe medicines we'd like the evil drug companies to give away) for a long time so even if we all are riding around in a algea fed bio-mass powered public transportation rickshaw in ten years we are still going to need oil and it woud be nice if more of it was of domestic origin.

The rabid NIMBY argument against oil drilling is an empty argument based on an arrogant premise. It also happens to be a losing one.

See:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/07/AR2...
Permalink Reply by Jose Serrano on August 10, 2008 at 4:16pm
Actually, the U.S. is using 21 million barrels of oil a day (http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_engli...).
Permalink Reply by JRBECK64 on August 7, 2008 at 12:24pm
So are you saying we shouldn't even try to drill for oil? Should we keep paying the Saudi's 700 Billion a year? Here is an idea, how about if we start drilling and sell our oil to the Chinese at $120/Barrel and put the Saudi's out of business. How about if we put our money into our pockets instead of financing a group of nations that look at us as something just short of Nothing? Its time to put America before the Oil Nations. If it means that the Oil Companies here, that have been profiting forever put more people, HERE IN AMERICA TO WORK, then Im all for it. We as a Nation are financing the WORLD and we are going bankrupt doing it. Does this mean we dont continue the push towards alternatives? I guess I am asking if you think that Drilling for Oil will stop the push for Alternative energy implementation? Think about how big alternative energy will be when China has sucked the world dry of Petroleum. Think about a middle class in China and the consumption of natural resources it will take to feed them. I dont need a crystal ball to figure out that it wont take China long to figure out that the Middle Class Equation wont work and they will have to look toward renewables and alternatives for energy. Also last time I checked Pickens Plan stated that in 10 years we could be 40% off our dependancy not 100%. If we want to talk about this for the next 10 years then we can add 10 more years to the equation but the time for talk is over. You see the games our Congress is playing with the energy issue? What its going to take is action and stop waiting for Our Elected Officials to say its ok. You notice T. Boone is not only moving forward but putting his money where his mouth is. When people start following suit that is when we will become energy independant.
Permalink Reply by Hank Kelly on August 7, 2008 at 12:58pm
Your argument might have some merit if this were 1948 and not 2008. There is no more easy, cheap, oil to be found within our national boundaries...none nada...no more gushers like in the old movies. If we drill everywhere, now. yesterday, last week or ten years ago it won't matter. Sometimes I wish there never would have been an offshore oil drilling moratorium. By now that oil would be gone and we'd be forced to develop alternatives.

Right now we are losing lives and wasting treasure in a middle eastern country whose president, which I might add, we installed, is telling us to GET OUT. Have no illusions. We are there as occupiers to protect our national oil interests.

You are correct. We are paying the Saudis and others 700 billion annually. OK, let's drill. We hit the jackpot and find the most optimistic amount of oil possible. Let's say global demand remains static, it doesn't go up because everyone gets a tire guage.. So now we only pay them 697 billion for the next two years. Then it's gone. And that is the solution to our energy crisis?

You drilling fanatics are like the drunk dying of pscirrosis who is going to quit as soon as he finishes that last case of brewskies in the fridge.
Permalink Reply by Steve Morriss on August 7, 2008 at 2:52pm
It appears that you are much too emotional to approach the issue with rational arguments, striking out with anger when you lack a reasonable answer or alternative.
JR's comments are well reasoned and a good explanation of why continued drilling is an essential element to the transition from an a oil-based world economy to alternatives. It is childish to assert that continued US oil production should cease when the alternatives will take many years to implement. Even Picken's wind farms will take years to complete.

Rather than approach the problem as either/or, try thinking of many approaches happening in parallel each with different time lines to completion. The goal of the transition has to be to maintain some degree of stability to the world economy.

Let's assume the very best case scenario, a group of scientist develop a "low cost" fusion reactor that can fit into any/all existing power plants at virtually zero environmental impact. The energy produced is 10 cents per kilowatt hour.

How long would it take to retrofit all of our power plants? How large a production facility would it take to meet the demand for the reactors? How long would it take to replace the demand for oil? You would have to conclude that even in the best case scenario that the period of transition would take several decades to accomplish. Meantime, the need of oil will increase year to year less our efforts to conserve. Where this oil comes from is in our interest to be local rather than foreign. The big bad oil companies will be spending their money here rather than building Gardens of Eden in the deserts of Arabia.
Permalink Reply by Hank Kelly on August 7, 2008 at 4:30pm
There's no emotion here. It's just the cold calm reality of fact. There is no anger directed at JR, it's only a difference of opinion regarding the need for offshore drilling and what little impact it will have toward solving our dilemma. I take no issue with, and in fact sympathize and support the other concerns he has raised. He is well spoken and thoughtful

The forum is: "Drilling is NOT the solution!" Did you notice? JR perhaps differs in that opinion...that's fine. I say "perhaps" because he asks the question "Wil I drilling detract from the implementation of alternatives?" That is a wonderful intelligent query. I can't answer, if we once again fall into complacency with lower gas prices, I suppose it could.

JR brings up a number of good issues, but it would take much space to address all of the concerns he's raised. I'm trying to stay on message here.

There are solutions to oil. I don't see where anyone, myself included suggest that we can instantaneously abandon oil as fuel with no transition period. It's moronic to assume otherwise or attempt to attribute that idea to anyone on this forum.

I have learned quite a bit from a number of forums on this site. As much from those who disagree as those who may be in agreement with my outlook. Ex. The forum about algae biomass is fantastic. These guys offer a real alternative that can be put into production relatively short term. Did I say bulldoze the oil derricks? No. But I am open minded and now I have flip flopped a little from my original coal liquefaction and natural gas stance.

You, on the other hand prefer to pontificate, as though being judgmental somehow elevates your intellectual stature. Your suggestion is cold fusion? Why not di-lithium crystals while you're at it? Fusion is a great idea, a theory that still remains outside the realm of practical application. So what is your point in discussing how long it would take to retrofit reactors to a technology that still remains largely in the laboratory. Now before you jump to another self-serving and aggrandizing conclusion, I'm not saying research into fusion should be abandoned either, or anti-gravity or particle beam transport for that matter.

You assume a scenario that has yet to exist then expound on methods to implement it? Now, my friend isn't THAT a little childish? Is it practical based on today's technology? Is it rational?

We are discussing solutions and alternatives here. If you have any real knowledge of fusion as a near term solution I'd be most happy to learn about it.

By the way, it's Dubai that's building the Garden of Eden in the desert not the oil companies, and they are doing it with our dollars, much to my chagrin and to JR's also I would wager.
Permalink Reply by Steve Morriss on August 7, 2008 at 5:34pm
Permalink Reply by David DeZan on September 12, 2008 at 10:37pm
Wow, this is a very cool video, still havent watched it all yet but very interesting stuff.
Permalink Reply by Steve Morriss on September 12, 2008 at 11:05pm
It is cool, isn't it. Dr Bussard has died unfortunately. His work is reportedly been taken over by a group in New Mexico. He was very heavily discredited by his colleagues after he joined up with Star Trek producers who used his ideas to form the basis of the power plant used in the Enterprise...Bussard Ramjet. He was on to a great breakthrough that has gone dark for the past 18 months. We have to keep our fingers crossed.

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