NG Car Conversion List
I think that it would be a good idea to group the cars considered for conversion by year, make, model and engine type. That way we can find the most popular cars and contact the kit makers to see if they would make one.
We are bootstrapping an industry. Lots of people want to know if there is a kit for their car. We may able to get the kit makers to make the kits by showing them that there is a genuine interest in sufficient volume.
So, if you have a car that you would like to convert to NG or dual fuel, please indicate the make, model and year of the car in a response here and I will put together a list of the most popular cars.
Example:
2001 Ford Taurus SE 3.0 V6
We are bootstrapping an industry. Lots of people want to know if there is a kit for their car. We may able to get the kit makers to make the kits by showing them that there is a genuine interest in sufficient volume.
So, if you have a car that you would like to convert to NG or dual fuel, please indicate the make, model and year of the car in a response here and I will put together a list of the most popular cars.
Example:
2001 Ford Taurus SE 3.0 V6
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Permalink Reply by Allen Mays on -
2000 Jeep Wrangler Sahara 4.0 inline 6
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Permalink Reply by Allen Mays on
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2000 Jeep Wrangler Saraha 4.0 inline 6
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Permalink Reply by SJC on -
Thank you Allen.
It seems like we have quite a varied distribution of vehicles,
but I believe that it is worthwhile to collect this information to get a clearer picture.
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Permalink Reply by Michigan MP on -
2008 Mazda Tribute Hybrid MZR 2.3-liter
2008 Honda Civic Hybrid 1.8-liter, I4
2008 Saturn Vue Hybrid 2.4-liter four-cylinder
CNG bifuel Hybrid would be sooooo cool and I would absolutely be willing to risk the warranty issues on any or all of these vehicles.
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Permalink Reply by SJC on
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I agree, a dual fuel hybrid would be a fine idea. If ANG becomes more common, it could take up less space in the vehicle and provide longer range at lower pressures than CNG.
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Permalink Reply by jason on -
No to CNG or hybrids still use fossil fuel. Hybrids are a teaser solution. Go electric. Buy a Tesla. Then focus on producing electric through Space Based Solar. check out my other post
http://push.pickensplan.com/forum/topic/show?id=2187034%3ATopic%3A1...
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Permalink Reply by SJC on
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We are looking for Year, Make, Model and engine type to make CNG kits.
Comments pertaining to that are fine but negative editorial comments should be posted elsewhere.
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Permalink Reply by K Q Anderson-Johnson on -
2001 Kia Sephia
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Permalink Reply by Jason Whitaker on -
1998 Chevy Silverado K1500 5.7 liter V8
I too would love to see more vehicles available, where I live in NW Louisiana we are seeing a boom in NG, but no where to have your vehicle converted or fuel a CNG vehicle.
I have looked into converting and if someone could please clarify that if your vehicle is not registered with the EPA then you dont get any of the tax incentives for having a CNG vehicle? If that is true then something needs to be done to relax the EPA certification rules so that people can take full advantage of having an alt fuel vehicle.
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Permalink Reply by Jason Whitaker on
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Not trying to get off subject but if you can get kit makers to make a new kit for car X what has to be done to have that kit EPA Certified, from what I have seen just because the kit is available does not mean its exactly legal
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Permalink Reply by Curtis Martin on -
Your members, like cngoutfitters, that promote and sell non EPA approved conversion kits to people in the US is doing you more harm than good. With an EPA conversion certification costing upwards of $50,000, there's little chance of getting legal kit manufacturers to jump on board. With roughly 17 states adopting CARB air standards, and an EPA certified kit in hand, you can expect to spend an additional $250,000, and 1-2 years of testing to gain a CARB certificate.
Additionally, engine groups are certified, not vehicles. For more info on this entire process go here:
The current legislation, which seeks to streamline the certification process is our best hope at gaining more natural gas vehicle selection. Since fleets drive the conversion and certification market in the US, it's going to be nearly impossible to gain conversions for older vehicles. People choosing to put on illegal kits subject themselves to a $5,000 per day fine for tampering with federally mandated smog devices, and failure of the smog test.
Let's say that there was a EPA/CARB kit available for your 2000 motorhome, Toyota Tundra, or whatever you're driving. To purchase the kit, Purchase a tank (usually an additional $1,000-$2,000, with brackets), a licensed conversion company would have you at about $15,000 (give or take a couple of grand) to have you up and running. This generally exceeds the value of the car being converted. This is not a DIY project! High pressure gaseous fuel systems are inherrently dangerous by virtue of the pressures involved. Only a licensed cng tech should even attempt it.
We're seeing a proliferation of illegal conversion shops cropping up to address the demand caused by high fuel prices. Shortcutting the law is not the answer. Illegal conversions can be dangerous, and trying to save a few dollars by attempting it yourself may result in an accident that would set the cng industry back 10 years in the eye of public acceptance. The EPA's enforcement division is working overtime to shut them down, and rightly so.
I'm not trying to rain on the parade here, but education is the first step. You can learn about everything there is to know on the subject at my website, . Spend some time on the Natural Gas Coalitions website, . I'm onboard with more kit manufacturers making these kits available in the US... but legally. They stand to make a fortune selling these kits in this market, but why should they spend a cent to make them legal when they have clowns like cngoutfitters pedaling them to an unaware public.
Heck, I'd love to convert my old ElCamino, as well as my other Honda's to natural gas... but there's no legal way to do it, and if there was, a $15,000 conversion would be a show stopper. The reason the conversions are so expensive is the $300,000 it would take to certify one in Ca, NY, or one of the other large target markets that require CARB certs. If they would adopt a position that, when smogged (post conversion), that the vehicle had the same, or better, emission footprint, then we'd have a way to reduce the cost of a kit. If you want to do something, get your congressman, and any other politico that you can contact to force the EPA into this stance. Now there's a goal for you.
Curtis Martin
Clean Cities Coalition
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