10 reasons offshore drilling is such a dumb idea
10. Offshore oil drilling won't impact gas prices today, and it won't have a significant impact on gas prices in the future.
9. This is nothing more than a money grab by the oil companies - who are already making record-breaking profits.
8. We burn 25% of the world's oil here in the U.S., but we have only 3% of the world's oil reserves. So even if all offshore oil magically came to market today, the vast majority of our oil would continue to be imported, and we wouldn't see price relief at the pump.
7. The current moratorium was put in place decades ago to protect us from the danger of oil spills along our coastlines and beaches.
6. Burning fossil fuels like oil causes global warming, which causes stronger hurricanes, which will threaten the very offshore drilling rigs being proposed, which will contribute to even more global warming.
5. To avoid the worst impacts of global warming, we need to switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy within the next 10 years. The billions of dollars that would be spent on offshore oil drilling just postpones the inevitable transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy.
4. Oil exploration requires massive seismic testing - which threatens whales and dolphins.
3. Oil prices are set on the global oil market, so American oil is no cheaper than Saudi oil. We won't get a discount for oil drilled in the U.S.
2. We can't solve the world's energy problems with the same drilling that created them.
1. Renewable energy is available now, so it's time to walk away from fossil fuels and toward a clean energy future.
Source: Greenpeace.org
Please keep on the good discussion.. Thanks Henrik
9. This is nothing more than a money grab by the oil companies - who are already making record-breaking profits.
8. We burn 25% of the world's oil here in the U.S., but we have only 3% of the world's oil reserves. So even if all offshore oil magically came to market today, the vast majority of our oil would continue to be imported, and we wouldn't see price relief at the pump.
7. The current moratorium was put in place decades ago to protect us from the danger of oil spills along our coastlines and beaches.
6. Burning fossil fuels like oil causes global warming, which causes stronger hurricanes, which will threaten the very offshore drilling rigs being proposed, which will contribute to even more global warming.
5. To avoid the worst impacts of global warming, we need to switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy within the next 10 years. The billions of dollars that would be spent on offshore oil drilling just postpones the inevitable transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy.
4. Oil exploration requires massive seismic testing - which threatens whales and dolphins.
3. Oil prices are set on the global oil market, so American oil is no cheaper than Saudi oil. We won't get a discount for oil drilled in the U.S.
2. We can't solve the world's energy problems with the same drilling that created them.
1. Renewable energy is available now, so it's time to walk away from fossil fuels and toward a clean energy future.
Source: Greenpeace.org
Please keep on the good discussion.. Thanks Henrik
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Permalink Reply by ittybitty on -
I am not Mark but I will answer anyway...
The net energy output of ALL forms of ethanol production are a friggin joke. Plus, there is no such thing as excess biomass.
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Permalink Reply by ittybitty on
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Yeah, I am dumb as a box of rocks... irrational and emotional..
But luckily this guy isn't. In fact, he is smarter than you times ten. So, I will go with his ideas...
See if you can read and understand them. Try this one:
http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/papers/Biofuels/OECDSept102007TWPatze...
Or this one:
http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/papers/Biofuels/TWSwitchgrass.pdf
Last but not least.....:
http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/patzek/BiofuelQA/Materials/March_issu...
and my fave....:with several scientist rebutting...
http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/patzek/BiofuelQA/Materials/062306Scie...
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Permalink Reply by Thomas on -
CNN is running a great TV program this week at 1900 E.T. "THE INDEPENDENTS CONVENTION". Tons of shocking facts concerning Senate and Congress corruption. The f.y.2009 Energy Independence Bill is loaded with pork worth $3.5 Billion that does nothing to fix America's problems. Who do you think benefits? Check it out!
Thomas Moore
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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on -
This argument is flawed in so many ways, I can't begin to coalesce all of the appropriate responses fast enough.
10. It does affect them DIRECTLY in 4 years, not 10 like the Democrats have screamed in a defensive mode to angry voters. INDIRECTLY, just removing the moritorium on offshore drilling prompted OPEC execs to reduce pricing, before the global economy took a dip. We could still be facing the $5.00 per gallon mark if this alone had not happened.
9. I don't completely trust Oil Companies, especially upper management, and their profit margin is so much less than other companies in similarly sized industries, but their costs of staying in 'productive' business, not targeting leases that are either 'dry' or promising far less production by all estimates of geo-analysis, you have to offer them the profits. One, they are only profits 'now', not when they have to manufacture, implement and begin drilling on new oil platforms that cost $500 million per offshore drilling site. Talk to anyone employed by big oil, the profits coffered there are the most evaporative of any business in the world. Please don't listen to and ignorantly re-iterate leftist propganda without knowing the facts. I'd rather that money be ready to produce fuel, including Alternative Energy fuels that big Oil has divested in to remain our top energy producers. One good reason to vote for McCain, who knows all of this, how to work and regulate it, and get us off Big Oil permanently when we can in the fastest possible way.
( Greenpeace.org has a relentless inaccuracy on these figures and facts, just check the UN figures on world oil production, its costs, associated costs, future green transition costs, and the actual time to the pump drilling now affects. You can also check the US Office of Official Registers for more facts regarding this, both by the way, managed by Democrat institutions.)
8. This is PROVEN ABSURD, even Greenpeace does not say this. If you had all of the USA's offshore and onshore Oil available today, prices could decrease to $2.00 per gallon maxium, with no international shipping or energy-tax/tariffs involved. Plain and simple, if the pumps runneth over, supply is in excess, PRICE DROPS. Even Obama passed that course and has admitted to it.
7. Yes, when drilling technology was about 1/10th of the safety proven factors that are in place now. I bet you can't even quote the last time there was a major derrick spill, shipping spill other than the Exxon Valdez, that happened, ANYWHERE. I don't work for Big Oil, but even I know that fact.
6. Global Warming has not even been proven yet. Personally, I feel there is a warming effect, and its due to more pollutants and toxins in the air, and yes refineries are a main cause of this, as are gas-consuming vehicles. However, drilling offshore provides more benefits as we enable ourselves to get off using crude oil for anyhting but strategic reserves. If Al Gore, and a handful of scientists had not so SEVERELY EXAGGERATED the current Global Warming effect, this would have had more credibility. But as of this morning, one of Gore's own chief scientists, today (09/09/2008) just declared to the Australian Board of Energy, that he was able to disprove all of his earlier findings, and that it is just plain cheaper not to try anything to avoid Global Warming, until better data can be collected on what is the real 'Earth-Cycle' and how much is truly affected by man's pollutants. Timing-wise, nothing you've stated about Global Warming has been proven, and I believe myself, there is a warming problem.
5. IRRELEVANT. See above response.
4. Not anymore. Who in the hell does your research? Whales and Dolphins have been thought immune to the latest siesmic exploration technology since 1992, (See National Geographic resources of the same year), Now most companies use very harmless ultrasonic and geo-thermal imaging, not hardly dependent on old Siesmic technology, that marine wildlife are no longer affected. A spill or post-drilling-implementation disaster could threaten a great deal of marine life, but not what you are claiming. Are you just an angry Geenpeace sod or what? At least most debaters on your side of the subject come with a little more fact and substance to the discussion.
3. MAN, what are you SMOKING??? Global prices set by OPEN do not even translate to equivalent dollars at the pump, regardless of what varying rates of commerce exist. Just this last Winter, President Bush got an additional discount, finally, out of Saudia Arabia that no one in Europe even got. This type of segregated pricing on procurment of the Oil affects different prices after being 'set globally' all the time. You've never learned anything about the world marketplace have you? I bet you don't know anything about the US Stock Markets either.
2. Drilling did not create the problem, OBVIOUSLY! The problem is one of geo-political and economic manipulations, abuses, and social change. Short-sightedness back in the 70s and 80s, with agree-ably, excessive greed by Big Oil left us here, but drilling never created an Oil shortage, higher prices, or the inability to bring more in fast. What an assinine assumption. What created them, the list is long, never included offshore drilling, which, if we had done more, the Earth would not be any warmer, but OPEC would have supplied us less, affected price less, and had no geo-political influence on the security of our supply. Did you go to Harvard????? any college?
1. It's not available right now, although I sure wish it was. Solar does not yet have the high-energy/high volume yield, Wind is limited by regional influence, battery/hydrogen cells don't hold a long enough charge yet in terms of miles-per-charge, and biomass clean oil fuel substitutes can't yet go into high-enough production (and T.Boone ignores them anyway). Yes, we need clean renewable fuels, ASAP, but drilling now, and more research is needed, so we can get, in one piece to that cleaner, greener utopian future.
Lying about it helps nothing, potentially influences others into deceiving themselves and others, and breaks apart the unified effort of our country getting there together, faster and unified.
Terrence Abrams
CEO, DOCS ETC, Inc.
www.docsetc.com
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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on
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Tell you what HenriK, your goals are very transparent to drive investors towards your proposed start-up company.
I've researched your cyprusenergy.com, old version photovoltaics very far behind current solar panel technology and newly developing proposals.
I truly know how far off you are about oil and drilling, and I don't like Oil Company abuses of the past either, BUT, since I put my money where my mouth is, without intentionally mis-leading un-FACT-oids, you show me an up-to-date photovoltaic design that can compete with the NEW and much more advanced solar panels now in production in both the USA, Europe and China, and I'll personally invest in your startup.
So far, you sound like a former tech of an old company you no longer work for, looking to set a score for yourself. That is fine by me, but let's see some proof of what you'd develop would be at least as good, (or almost as good even...) as today's leading solar panel technology.
Then you'll see my stock purchase in your company.
Seriously, dude.....
Terrence Abrams
CEO, DOCS ETC, Inc.
"The Paperless Office Professionals"
Green Office Award Recipient
www.docsetc.com
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Permalink Reply by Henrik on -
I usually dont reply to direct atacks...
As I mentioned before, this is not my personal view. I just wonder how people argue about this subject in so different ways. Even in very unpolite manners without knowing me or others personally.
TO your study of cyprusenergy.com which is obvious not mine BUT cyprusSUNenergy.com
I wonder what is old, and what you have discovered there.
We are active in developing new RE technologies, see the energy globe awards for 2006 and 2007. Both of this developments have nothing to do with photovoltaics- or solar panel as you call them development.
The zero energy house only uses photovoltaics for energy needs and the other invention is a new generation of solar thermals - and you sure know that solar thermals are a complete different technology than photovoltaics. Solar thermals are one of the cheapest, effective and easiest ways to save money with alternative energy.
We are not active in developing new photovoltaic modules, thin film or similar. This would be far beyond our research capacities. But we use them for our off grid and on grid installations.
BTW: It is my company. Owned together with my brother. I will always work for cyprusSUNenergy.com
And for the proposed startup - Thank you very much but people who know the difference between photovoltaics and solar thermals already have invested.
Sorry Dude
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Permalink Reply by Terrence Abrams on
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In reading your earlier posts, and your page, "investigating a start up factory for your company" your representations are misleading, and not putting forth any disclaimer to the averse "facts" you presented, but to use them as fodder until respondents here called you out on some, is very un-professional.
I, unlike many, am very familiar with the difference between photovoltaics and solar thermals, which is why I asked you about what you are doing different, when the techonlogy your company is apparently using, is quite behind the global competition.
Misleading discussions on this forum page is pretty worthless......'Dude'....
I invest, and have already, in alternative energy companies that show me hard data and leading, driving development with promising futures. It is one way to show support in what I believe in. None of them toss up an argument, only to later pull back with "well, that's not quite my personal view....".
If you promote it, you back it, at least to a good degree, too.
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Permalink Reply by Henrik on
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Its not a misleading discussion, ist a very fruitfull discussion. The text is a free view, not mine personal dough. I think you have these rights as well, do you?
I dont know which argument you mean, which I pulled back, but well, its up to the public..
So if you are so into the technology why should I explain you what a heatpipe storage collector is? You should know that there is none similar and easy installable system on the world marked. Instead you wrote something about old version photovoltaics very far behind current solar panel technology and newly developing proposals
From this I could not understand you expertise. I am sorry for that. I hope I am not missleading a discussion again but I think I have my own expertise in various RE fields, have been working together with well know German NGO Solar Thermal Institutes, without investing in RE stocks etc.
I have just been to the Intersolar (as an Exhibitor) in SF and I saw whats going on in the US regarding RE. The US has to do lots of Homework. This is not bad because it would bring a lot of new jobs & power up the economy.
BTW1: The startup for a production of a new generation solar thermals was done in Florida. I will take out the text searching for Investors as this subject is done. Thank you for getting my attention there.
BTW2: Please let me know which technology do I use, is quite behind the global competition.?
Please explain this step by step, as I dont realy understand what you mean? The used technology for water heating in domestic households? Please explain.
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