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Obviously there is no such momentum to end fracking in our lifetime, but what they put down those pipes is another matter. You do not have to have the exotic blends they are using to enhance a fracking process. Tests done independently with simple salt water have brought basically the same results. So, why are they continuing to put dangerous things down these holes? Because someone is paying them to do it. It is an easy way to avoid EPA regulations and so the crooks who have to get rid of such items, find a driller that will let them dispose of their illegal product down a legal h***... It is big business and if I knew personally about who they were, I'd be in great danger, as crooks do not like to be caught...yet, somehow when the EPA checks a well, they find things they should not find, when they can even get legal permission to uncover such things. How many people disappear each year, and are never found? A well is an easy way to dispose of anything improper or illegal. It isn't hard to force anything into a 10" tube if you need to, to avoid legal issues...So who is checking them out, to make sure of what is going down these tubes in the ground?  I expect we will never know just how many have ended up at the terminal end of such events. So, yes, it is vitally important that oversight is possible and enforced. Or you could be looking at the future of criminal tactics 101... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that out of sight is out of reach, and if you can do it, who will threaten your operations, ever?  This sounds so much like D*** Cheney, I should blush, but I am not at all convinced there are not people working in the oilfields today that know of such arrangements, and I simply want someone to have significant oversight, just in case I am missing someone I know and they can't be found...Or discovering that someone is poisoning the ground under my property without my permission and unwilling and not even required to say what it is they've pumped down there! That is why regulation is required and should have begun yesterday...Will it show up in my water?  Of course I care about that, but I also care about illegal pollution no matter who is doing it or what they are sinking down those holes...You should be too, ethically...

What you are implying is criminal and operators doing such should be fined and jailed with drilling permits removed.  I know of no such operators here in Texas.  If you have knowledge or evidence of this type of activity then you should report it.  Otherwise shutup and quit creating a "strawman" to cloud the issue.  Courts are available just for such purposes.  If there is such activity going on it is a miniscule minority of the projects.

 

Reputable drillers are not doing this.  Most of the flack fluids in shale gas wells comes back up the h*** and is reprocessed.

thats nice I work for a 
school bags
 company anyways i love this forum and i am a proud member and also I have referred lots of members to you guys

Mr. Pickens,

 What do you think of Kinder Morgan buying El Paso ?

Thank you,

 Jeff

Why are gas companies paying our politicians?  Check out  Marcellus Money http://marcellusmoney.org/
Same reason all lobbyists send money to politicians including T. Boone Pickens.  To get favorable legislation passed.  U.S. politics as ususal.
Meaning...so that they'll look the other way?
Even good legislation in the U.S. congress needs sponsorship, support and enough publicity to get congressman interested in reviewing it.  Today, that is the way laws/regulations are made.  The environmentalist groups  behind marcellusmoney.org also have their own supporters for the opposite side of the bill.  Don't just look at one website and think you have the whole story.

What you're saying makes sense, but it just shouldn't work like that.  Yes, I'm an idealist who thinks that people should want to do the right thing.

 

I agree.  We should send patriots to congress, not politicians.  Unfortunately the cost to get elected actually causes the corruption.

 

Unfortunately there is no mechanism in the U.S. Constitution for popular ammendments or National Elections.  All elections are currently local elections including those for President.  In my opinion that is a major short coming of the U.S. Constitution.  Only the elected representatives can propose an ammendment to the constituion and they are typically bought and paid for by the Political Action Committees.

If the citizens of the U.S. got fed up enough to elect common citizens to public office instead of carreer politicians and we limited their terms to 12 year cummulative time then there would be less corruption to deal with.

"What you're saying makes sense, but it just shouldn't work like that"

Well, pray tell; just HOW should it work? You call yourself an idealist but after 2000 years of experience with the concept of democracy you would THINK that the premise of idealism would be limited to the Boy Scout manual. there are 308 million people in this country, EACH one with his own ideas (and idealism) of how things should be. As a member of the US legislative body it is your job is to introduce or go along with an idea or bill that YOU think is in the best interest of your constituents. This form of government is known as indirect representation of the electorate. It is also known as a democratic republic.

While you may THINK that T. Boone Pickens has a great idea with the natural gas program remember, there are 5-6 OTHER (energy)  big ideas out there whose sponsors think are JUST as viable, just as urgent, just as NEEDED by the American electorate. HOW would you propose that Pickens get HIS ideas in front of a congressmens era and get it into debate, if not by greasing the electorate wheels. Now DON'T think that Pickens or (anyone) is delivering cash to these representatives by the basket fuul, they are not. But money in the from of campaign contributions, junkets to far off places to see how natural gas is being recovered in other parts of the world, these are all fair  game in this society. 

 

I will ask again, HOW would you propose that 308 million people get their  ideas considered and needs met if not by some form of lobbying? Even the old folks have a lobbying group in the form of the AARP. And all the AARP is IS a lobbying group that pushes congress for different kinds of insurance that they can foist off onto old people. They make BIG BUCKS off of this effort and yet they do not REALLY represent ANY retired people. They just sign 'em up and start the 3rd class mailing machine to working overtime. Now, if you THINK that marketing plan is OKAY your NOT an idealist; just a lost capitalist junkie. They even HIDE their profits under the banner of an IRS 501.3c not for profit organization. A not for profit model was ORIGINALLY modeled by the IRS to shied surplus revenues from contributions from taxation and as a haven for those who make the contributions. The AARP has no meaningful contribution program, their primary income is from the selling of various insurance products to a captive audience, old people.  If I had a 501.3c organization and I dabbled in a side marketing operation of insurance I would be TAXED on that extracurricular activity...but NOT the Old Folks People.

 

The Deuceman

Hey Deuceman! Your last two posts actually addressed some issues, and gave some reasons. Thank you, even though I disagree somewhat. I think CNG is more viable than other possible alternative fuel ideas, with the possible exception of all electric vehicles, algae in transparent pipes, wind turbines in West Texas, in the best wind corridor on planet Earth. None of the alternatives are fabulous, so we should quickly work several of the alternative ideas, in hopes that the people who want us dead won't succeed because we are giving them less money for their oil.

Low CNG prices are due mostly to speculation that T.Boome Pickens would succeed with several percent conversion to CNG, and failure of our government to support the concept. Many ideas have succeeded later instead of sooner because they got poor support from the movers and shakers. That is not to say I am sure CNG for vehicles is a great idea. My opinion is still open to input. I still think T. Boone Pickens is a great patriot.  Neil

 

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