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Solar Power is here. Use it! 100% Sustainable!

We've lived in a PV Solar house since 1997.THe panels and system cost only $9750 for a three bedroom house. Solar is pratical NOW! So go solar! . Anyway, if you can't afford the $15,000 start up costs(what it cost in 2007 for our new house) in cash, use a firm that puts the system in, and then lets you have 10 years to pay it off---WHILE NOT PAYING AN ELECTRIC BILL. AFTER a few years you get your energy for free! FIguring the utility bill s I did not have to pay, at our high rates here in Hawaii County, it took just 4 years and 3 months for payback for my household, and that is NOT counting government rebates.
Stop the talk about NUCLEAR WHAT DO YOU THINK IS POWERING MY COMPUTER AS WE SPEAK? Because Halliburton and Chevron are unable to OWN THE SUN, they cannot corner the market and profit from it. So they will be fighting us on this for decades yet. Ignore them. Trust those of us who are veteran SOLAR POWER USERS. Just do it. Yes, there are ways to finance the photovoltaic installation, too. This is not futuristic thinking. SOLAR PANELS ARE AVAILABLE NOW AND THEY WORK. .They are guaranteed for 25 years, and may well last 50 years!
Please note, this discussion has been a magnate for those uclear afficionados who are simply foaming at the mouth because of the widespread application of photo voltaic panels for getting sum power from your own south facing roof. Like Halliburtion, these dudes, A-1, DD, DE, etc are enraged that somehow everyman may be able to slip out from under his obligations to the mega industrial complex. And somehow, they oppose any attempt at going back to American values of pulling your own weight, independence, and self-sufficiency. And oh yes, in our very wet climate, we get more days of rain than days of full sun, so naturally we have a full on rain catchment system with water storage tanks for household and llivestock water supply. Look up, and you may find a long term solution that will even, in a couple of years,charge up your electric car for you during the day, at home or in the downtown parking garage.

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Permalink Reply by Brennan D McCarthy on July 17, 2008 at 9:08am
YOU GO GIRL! I should make you a spokesman:) YOU GET IT! Keep up the great work!

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Permalink Reply by ittybitty on July 17, 2008 at 9:48am
SCHWEEEEET!!!!!

Nice set up. Do you have any issues with trees blocking the sun?

In a nut shell for all you disbelievers, here are some of the GREAT things about solar:

1) Can be used on-grid or off
2) Portable solar panel powered 110/120 AC generators are available - you can have current ANYWHERE!
3) No moving parts.
4) Lasts 30-40 YEARS
5) If your house is not HUGE, you can TOTALLY ELIMENATE ALL HOME ENERGY COSTS - zero out your utility bill...!!
6) System will pay for itself in seven years +/- and then the power is FREE for the next 23-33 years.
7) Once you buy the system you will NEVER have to worry about escalating energy costs
Permalink Reply by Auntie Tutu on July 17, 2008 at 2:47pm
Yes, shade will negate your solar input. You need unobstructed South or SOutheast facing roof. Also, my system PAID FOR ITSELF IN 4 years. This has alreeady happened. It is not a prediction.
Amd for those without $15,000 up front, there are MANY companies who will install the whole edeal at their expense and then charge you the cost plus interest amortized over ten years. And meanwhile, since you PAY NO ELECTRIC BILL, you end up with an OWNED SYSTEM after paying $200 a month or so, instead of the ZILCH you end up with if you pay the electric company for ten years.
And dont forget, by disconnecting from the grid you can live ANYWHERE, and sometimees just beyond thee power lines is WAY cheaper than the suburbs. My place was $2000 an acre for a big parcel, while just 3 miles closer to town cost $300,000 for ONE acre! And my place had privacy and a spectacular setting.
Permalink Reply by Heather Duro on July 17, 2008 at 3:20pm
Dont forget Auntie TuTu, A southwest facing array which is more efficient in production than east or southeast as you will get more sunlight in the later hours of the day in the spring and summertime months. WIth new technology panels work extremly efficiently in low light level conditions making any south facing (90-270 degrees) efficient. Also with anything less than a 5 degree pitch you can face north and get over 90% production out of the panels when compared to a directly facing south array at 100% (these percentages do not take into consideration loss in wiring, mismatch etc)
Permalink Reply by Brennan D McCarthy on July 24, 2008 at 2:56pm
The trees in the picture don't have any bearing on the electricity production, it's a 5000sf building with a 25kW system... It pretty much covers 100% of the electricity, credits some months... The only slight problem is FPL has no experience with writing checks to customers, but it's getting worked out:)
Permalink Reply by Auntie Tutu on July 17, 2008 at 8:55pm
This country was built by rugged individuals who likeed being responsible for their own welfare. They went out into the remote plains and built homes and farms far from all the modern conveniences of the 1850's. This new crisis should bring out the best in all of us, and it is truly satisfying to supply your own water, your own electricity, and to be efficient about it. And right now every household that sets up OFF the grid, and gets self suffiecient, is one less mouth to feed on the complex pipeline and wire system that our civilization has become so dependent on. REmember the hardiplank houses that survived the S. CA. fires ten yeaers back, that was eavidence of a homeowner willing to be different, willing to think ahead for unplanned events. A fireproof home is a good idea in a fire prone area. WAell, during massive 6 state blackouts you will setill see the lights on and the computer going inthe solar and wind powered homes in your county. The Oil crisis is here, and because fuel prices jumped so FAST the public finally took notice. Before you run out and spend $3000 on a new Prius auto, how about deriving the old SUV just a lot less, and taking a look at a $15000 sollar panel installation to rid you of the electric bill for the next 40 years? And financing is aailable, aat better terms than auto loans by far. COmpanies heree in Hawaii will put up your solar power system and then give you ten years to pay it off with interest, WHILE NOT GETTING A BILL FROM THE ELECTRIC COMPANY FOR THE WHOLE TEN YEARS. I don't think the dealer who sells you the PRius is going to buy your gasoline for you for the next ten years!!! (lol)
Permalink Reply by Auntie Tutu on July 18, 2008 at 12:07pm
Most people want to know what they can do NOW. Themselves! TO answer that, if you are in the country, and if you get heavy winds for much of the day or night, then put in a wind generator to supply or supplement your household power. But if, like most, the wind where you are is NOT constant, then put 2 (or 4 or 8) phoetovoltaic solar panels on your roof and start enjoying free energy and the feeling that you are actually making a contribution. If like me you are ouot of reach of the grid, it is greaet to enjoy the FREE ENERGY that a solar panel set-up can offer you for the next 40 years. I have been LIVING SOLAR for quite a while now. If you ned helep, there are comments on this site with websites that can help you. And do NOT worry if you are in an area with nasty weather. ME TOO! I gete buckets of rain here, all year round. BUt that is a pplus too, because instead of being wasted, all that rain gets directed by gutters off the eroof ineto storage tanks. A pumo brings it up into the house ---and a separate gravity feed line takes it to the pasture for the 4 cows and 24 horses. Life is good. Get on with it! GO SOLAR!
Permalink Reply by Auntie Tutu on July 19, 2008 at 5:17pm
Not if you live in a rural area on acreage. The power company wanted $60,000 for the privilege of bringing overhead lines to my house and then charging me $250 a month for electricity. I spent $14,759 instead, installed eight panels and eight batteries and a nice inverter, and now I will have FREE electricity for the next forty years or so. Even running my big new Sears 18 cu ft refrigerator! And with an on demand gas water heaeter, my propane bill is $280 a year, and the water is free because I put up a catchment system and pump the rainwater into the house. With the powere from the panels. If you haven't HAD a photovoltaic system, then you do not KNOW about a PV system, so why are you badmouthing it? If you get past the myths started by the power companies that it takes $60,000 to outfit a home, you will find it is a fraction of that.
My first installation ----in my old house in a different rainy areae of Hawaii, called Hamakua, ---cost only $10,000. But it didnt run the frig. And that was 1997.
Folks who are interested in solar, get your info from people who have LIVED WITH SOLAR. And if you are tied to the grid already, look into just putting some panels on the house with a switch, so you can turn ON the grid at 5 pm when you need it.
Permalink Reply by David French on July 19, 2008 at 8:52pm
Auntie, maybe those numbers make sense in Hawaii, but they're not what the reality is in the continental US. I have 1300 SF, live in Georgia, and pay $60-$85 per month for electricity. Plus, I'm not aware of anyone (around here at least) who has to pay the electric utilities to provide service, especially not $60,000 for a single residence.

So, for those of us around here, spending $10,000+ for a solar system would take at least 10 years to recoup the investment.

If solar makes sense in Hawaii, that's great. Just don't blindly think that your anecdotal numbers apply everywhere...they don't.
Permalink Reply by Auntie Tutu on July 20, 2008 at 4:20am
If you have a quarter acre lot here, and the poles are in the street outside your house, they will just hook you up. I guess it costs a few hundred dollars. But if you have a two thousand foot long driveway, then they have to bring a bunch of poles and line, and it is thus very expensive.
Solar power has the added side effect of allowing you to live far from your neighbors.
Electric rates vary around the country. THere are other places where it is expensive too.
But whether your utilities are expensive or not, putting some solar panels on your roof to supplement yolur power is just a good thing you can do for the planet. ANd even MORE important, you can lobby your city and state government to put solar panels on the roofs of all new public buildings starting now, and then on top of all flat or south facing public buildinig roofs. Or look into the solar film idea, it may be a much cheaper retrofit for the public roofs, and even posswibly a cheaper and yet effective move for individual homeowners. I have not studeied that at all. On this site, I just want to assure people that living in a solar powered house is reliable and savese me lots of money, as well as making my carbon footprint very small. SOlar has also brought light and radio to remote villages all over the third world, and saves those countries form having to stud their landscape with humongous power lines.
Permalink Reply by Auntie Tutu on July 19, 2008 at 5:58pm
It is time to Stop looking DOWN and DRILLING and start looking UP INTO THE SKY for answers. Wind and SOLAR are the answers. Maybe we need a new rallying song, like "WE finally got our Pie in the Sky, yeah.................." You write it.
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