Transition

Some time ago, we introduce this discussion by stating, "This is an mature adult conversation about things done that relate to things to be done. If you have a sincere desire to move the Picken's Plan forward, check in here!" Somewhere along the way, the question of integrity became an issue with reference to the the web sites founder and benefactor, T. Boone Pickens.

From this point forward, we want to be clear about certain points;

The Discussion creator and participants are not agents nor are they employed by Pickens or his corporate affiliates
The topic TRANSITION is a term employed to describe how individuals can interact with the goal of getting a national energy policy enacted by the federal government of the United States
The sole objective of this discussion is to help others, who may be new to the concept, Get Started

Transition is still a lively but insightful discussion of the political ramifications and requirements to employ NG as a bridge fuel to future energy independence; AND a equally informative forum for the side issues that naturally arise in the associated ideas that form the components of action. Participants engaged in this discussion lend their keen minds to unifying a common strategic objective by commenting on the various alternatives with respect to the political agenda necessary to generate a National Energy Policy.

Transition is many voices in addition to the founders. They speak of changes in the American community with regards to energy consumption and production. These voices may come from liberal, progressive, right-wing and conservative thinking, but more importantly they are collaborative. We are looking for the people with knowledge who are willing to share their expertise and intuitions with their neighbors to find a consensus necessary to unity.

Please, add your voice to this discussion by considering what you have to offer in the way of your personal expertise, experience and understanding of alternative fuels such as natural gas, solar or wind energy, hydro or thermal power, and chemical or biological process. If politics are not your forte, keep the following in mind:

The strength of a nation is unity in efforts that provide the greatest benefits for the most citizens
What will work in one region won't in another so sensible policy must accommodate the regional requirements
The United States doesn't exist in a vacuum, foreign ideas and opinions are just as valuable as domestic ones.

Political people don't necessarily have the technical knowledge to make sound decisions, don't leave their educations to the paid corporate lobbyist, use the tools provided here by your neighbors.

Tags: Alternative, Biofuel, Bridge, Congress, Grassroots, LNG, NG, Nuclear, Politics, President, More…

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Permalink Reply by David A. Franklin on March 21, 2011 at 7:28am

Specifically for Lou,

Matthew 7
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Tidman on March 21, 2011 at 7:57am

Specifically for David.

I have never read the bible but I understand that we are only supposed to follow one God. Then another God came along and, being human, we were able to rationalize 3 into 1.

Placing Jesus above all others is a judgement call.

There is a God and he continues to amaze me. I make up what I do not know and rationalize. I am human.

Is this topic fitly?

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Permalink Reply by Sharon Reddy on March 25, 2011 at 4:36pm

Probably not, but establishing tolerance of where-you're-coming-from doesn't hurt. Well, scratch nuclear from the agenda. I think investing heavily in coal and gas is dumb too. There will be tens of thousands of more jobs created and trade deficits vastly lowered if we put some real money into wind, solar, tide, which no one mentions, and geothermal. We need to develop technology we can sell to other people. Tell me we can't build a hydro generator that turns around when the tide does. I'd much prefer ten or fifteen of those out there in the water than even one oil rig. They can't spring leaks. We need to develop world class technology to have something to trade besides what's in our dirt and rocks. The movie and music industries do pretty good, but most of us aren't actors. Tens of thousands of jobs installing onsite power generation would be nice.

Time to really consider what we mean by "alternative." Time to re-explore steam. How much could be generated in capillary tubes under a black panel, in the sun? We need alternative sources. And so does the rest of the world. Why does power production need to be centrally located monolithic? We need to decrease dependence on foreign oil and other stuff that has disgusting side effects. We need jobs. We need something to sell the rest of the world. Of course, it would be a real blow to supply-side economics to create a product for which there is a demand. It's based on the idea you make a product, then create a demand for it. One can't say it doesn't work. Advertising and public relations people are usually well-paid.

Know thine enemy. Corporate structure is an invention; a piece of technology, a machine to make money. We didn't build in an off switch. We built regulators to control its action and assure it meets construction codes, when it adds pieces. But regulators fall off at borders. Profits and success are measured in quarters. A good profit percentage can be worth a couple hundred mil, personally, per year. Currently, the system is producing a very, very big profit. Of course when it will get too expensive to maintain has been calculated, but it's only calculated as profit for the corporation. That's what the employees are paid to do. Of course there will be plans for moving out of the investment before it kaput, but that's not for years and this quarter's profit is the paycheck. It will require a very loud voice to be heard over the money-amplified corporate voices that surround our representatives and learn to recognize when our buttons are being pushed, because an organization divided against itself is no threat.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Tidman on March 25, 2011 at 7:33pm

Paul Passerelli of Solar/Thermal can tell you all about using sun to heat ammonia to drive a Stirling engine which powers a generator to produce electricity. The waste heat from this system can be used for space or water heating, another benefit of local energy production. With a central energy production facility that we have now and long transmission lines up to 2/3 of the energy input is lost before it gets delivered to the consumer. This is the same inefficiency whether we promote the use of nuclear or NG. Nuclear would probably be OK if the plants were small and built in a h*** in the ground so a standby lid could be pulled over them.

The main problem with encouraging the use of small local energy production in a smart grid is that the current infrastructure has not yet been paid for and a switch to alternatives would leave the old suppliers with a big debt and no income.

We (the Government) could of course rescind the Federal Reserve Act, print some new interest free money and pay off all the old debts so that debts on the books could be paid off at $1 a year. Sorry, I think that I am repeating myself.

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Permalink Reply by ML Hayes on March 28, 2011 at 11:07pm

Thank you,
Couldn't have said /written it better myself. The Pickens Plan is a component that was suppoed to get the ball rolling. It got bogged down in the fracking arguement. Now it seems that fracking gas is not as bad as freaking nukes.
In any case' we need the serious clarity. We are going to want electricity until we figure out how to see in the dark, and eat everything raw and cold. Sounds like regression to me.

The Wiz

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Permalink Reply by Chris Tidman on March 22, 2011 at 7:44am

It is not what you say that means anything, it is what you do that counts.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Tidman on March 26, 2011 at 9:24pm

I found a free movie for you http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756

-something about the monetary problem.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Tidman on March 28, 2011 at 7:57am

You are likely what you think you are. Religion is an ego thing. Fanatics have an ego problem. If it talks like a Jew and acts like a Jew, it is very likely a Jew.