Big Wind Biochar Dump Load Regulation

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Comment by Eric Koch on June 22, 2009 at 10:38pm

Ok...note the (s) after the word inventor......

To be complete, a provisional application must also include the filing fee and a cover sheet identifying:

•the application as a provisional application for patent;
•the name(s) of all inventors;
•inventor residence(s);
•title of the invention;
•name and registration number of attorney or agent and docket number (if applicable);
•correspondence address; and
•any US Government agency that has a property interest in the application.

so here's the deal..everything i own is invested in my (not yet off the ground) tree saucer business...and so i really can't stop or devote any appreciable amount of time to anything else right now with out running the risk of completely freaking out.

So either Larry files with my name second...OR someone figures out a way to call it "free art" with out me having to figure out where i'm going to get $110 to shell out for the privilege of being so intellectually charitable.

Comment by Eric Koch on June 22, 2009 at 8:56pm

i've never filed for a patent...and appreciate the help ( i need it, because i have no idea what i'm doing).

Two serious elbows (Thanks Larry,and James), and a don't forget (sorry Walter..I'm going to need that in laymans terms), says it's time to give it a try..

Comment by WALTER REED on June 22, 2009 at 7:32pm

Hi Eric:

Remember, that after filing a provisional patent, that any disclosure of information until actual filling and publication, will have to be by NDC agreement or you risk loosing the patent to 'free art' for anyone.

Walter

Comment by James Tracy on June 22, 2009 at 4:53pm

Opps is now $110, that will give you the ability to talk freely about it, with patent protection for 1 year, then you need to file a full patent.

Comment by James Tracy on June 22, 2009 at 4:52pm

Eric, Draw up a desription of you invention, make drawings, and file for a provisional patent, its $105.
Here is the info from the patent office.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/provapp.htm

Comment by Eric Koch on June 22, 2009 at 4:27pm

i was, and still am, thinking the ferris wheel desert char unit is a good idea...but you inspired the thought and added some key features....

honestly, i'm up to my eyeballs in saucer production tooling...the only time i type is when i sit down for a break...and really have no idea how to go about the disclosure thing.

and so, i would be honored if you wrote up the disclosure.....to inspire the inspire-er....that would be reward enough for me.

Comment by Larry M. Aden on June 22, 2009 at 9:52am

Thank you, Walter, as part of my "day job" as Manufacturing Engineer I concern myself substantially with time/motion studies of light manufacturing processes, tho' rarely with energy conservation, yet anytime you can save motion, you are saving energy at the same time.
I always try to kill as many birds with the same stone as I can, so line up, Birdies, here goes.
Your understanding of what I said is correct, Eric, and your Ferris Wheel idea definitely has merit, especially if we were trying to run exclusively on solar energy, and had a wide variety of different types of feedstocks that would be better run in separate batches. We could load those batches which require the greatest heat input to arrive at the top during the hottest part of the day and adjust time and rotation automatically with sensors in each pod. The pods could also be the very same refuse containers off-loaded from the collection trucks direct to a universal quick attachment system on the wheel.
Alternatively, at night, we could even reverse the wheel to run the pods thru a hot box at the bottom of the swing to achieve more continuous operation.
Obviously, such a system would require post-pyrolysis separation of metals, etc., which all of that heat would be wasted upon, but, overall, could be a huge energy producer and conserver, as it takes less power to break the nails out of charcoal than out of a 2X4.
Now, we might be ready to go to prototype, Eric, good thinking!
Let me know when you get the funding lined up for the materials, and I’ll invest all of the necessary build time in my own machine and fabrication shop.
That offer goes to all of you who have a good idea, just protect yourself with a proper disclosure of the invention, before you send it to me at lmaden@frontiernet.net.
You hear me, Eric, if you have not already written up a disclosure, do it, today! We are all witnesses to your little moment of ‘divine inspiration’, but nothing says ‘mine’ in a court of law like a properly executed Disclosure of An Invention.
If any of you don’t know how to do this, I will be back on, tonight, to help you out on that.
Back to Biochar, I am not a huge fan of centrally-concentrating collector arrays, as they take up a lot of useful land area, tho' there is no reason why they could not be built elevated above a cropping operation raising plants that would appreciate the partial shading, or large parking lots surrounding factories and warehouses, etc.
I would prefer to actually cover our transportation corridors with nice clean parabolic trough collectors focused on continuous production, alternatively electrically-heated, augers full of pre-processed homogenized feedstocks and doubling as roadway shelters, plus rain and snow water collectors for our potable water systems, when the sun ain't shinin'.
Either way, there are a couple ways that we might even be able to more economically move the Biochar south and west across the country thru pipelines, instead of by rail.
Finally, Folks, lets not get hung up on semantics, technical precision is a wonderful thing for actually building real pyrolysis units, but everyone on here is not a technician, and we should never make anyone feel that they cannot join in the discussion, because they do not know the correct terminology.
Sometimes, the most groundbreaking ideas come from the most unlikely places!

Comment by WALTER REED on June 21, 2009 at 11:32pm

Hi Larry:

Excellent observation.

Walter

Comment by Eric Koch on June 21, 2009 at 11:20pm

Shout away Erich,

if publicists of char progress don't get their terminology strait,it could definitely lead to environmentally detrimental conclusions, and behavior, amongst the dimly lit......no need to burn the bridge to the post-combustion age,it's exothermic....got that every one, friends don't let friends misunderstand Char !!!

The desert needs more people like you Larry,
Sounds like a good enough reason to develop a pyrolysis chamber farris wheel where the one at the top is at the focus of a large reflected array.

correct me if i'm wrong, but are you telling me the "pressure sequence" is just the resultant expansion caused by heating the sealed chamber?....wouldn't be the first time something simple gets a fancy name.

looking forward to the schematics....rulgert

Comment by Larry M. Aden on June 21, 2009 at 10:05pm

Alright, guys, but we need all those pyrolysis units to be built FIRST right alongside the Sunbelt Solar Transmission and Transport Corridor near all those burgeoning metropolitan centers from Savannah to LA to convert all of their relatively dry cellulosic urban waste and any convenient horti/agricultural refuse to Biochar that can be most directly and efficiently shipped by rail straight to the Southern Plains and Desert Southwest for depleted soils recuperation.
That way we can use concentrating solar collectors for a large portion of the energy input in the pyrolysis process, and we get the best bang for our buck to sink the maximum amount of Carbon into the maximum amount of NEW biomass and Oxygen production.
Tennessee is hardly the best of sites for primary fast pyrolysis development.
BTW, Eric, the pressure is undoubtedly internally-developed gas pressure (CO, H2O, etc.). When I get time, I'll post some schematics.

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