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Corn Ethanol Now 16 Replies

Started by Nathan Campbell. Last reply by Kevin Adams Jul. 31, 2008.

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Brian Oram Comment by Brian Oram on May 9, 2009 at 12:40pm
Hello,
I am working on an Energy / Environmental Solutions Expo in June 2009. I was hoping to have an exhibit table for the Pickens Plan, but I would need the following: someone to volunteer time at the table, materials for the table, and one of the district leaders to fill out an exhibitor form. I can get the fee waived. The event website is
http://www.pnesolutions.org
My email is bfenviro@ptd.net - I hope we could pull something together. If one of the District Leaders needs a form - just email me.

This will be a 16 county event with over 20 hours of educational opportunities.
We also have some exhibit space.
Thanks

Brian Oram
Brian Oram Comment by Brian Oram on January 5, 2009 at 11:33am
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Brian Oram Comment by Brian Oram on October 1, 2008 at 9:51am
Working on biofuels projects in Northeast Pennsylvania - swithch grass, cellulosic ethanol, potentially biodiesal, and the use of small scale wind/solar for homes and agricultural facilities
Our website - http://www.pnercd.org

Looking to make contacts.
R.S. Brooks Comment by R.S. Brooks on August 27, 2008 at 1:48pm
I'm inviting everyone on the list to keep tabs of my test plot of Jatropha trees I am planting on my farm here in Texas. Jatropha produces a high-grade biofuel that runs in diesel engines without any modifications.

My test plot should determine if the Jatropha is durable enough to survive Winter in my region of Texas. I might be too far north, but Spring 2009 should give me a better idea if this plant is suited for my soil type (amended with organic matter) water from my well here on the farm and the Winter climate.

I've started a group "Jatropha" if you would like to monitor or join.
John D. Cochran Comment by John D. Cochran on August 7, 2008 at 12:37pm
Kevin and all:

I'm going out of the country on a refinery consulting engagement next week. When I finish that, I'll be able to give everyone some fascinating background.
Kevin Adams Comment by Kevin Adams on July 21, 2008 at 9:47am
Ed Wallace - and most of our news media

J. Cochran has Ed Wallace pegged. Most of the rest of our main stream media is the same as Ed - they do not seem to bother to ask themselves if what they are saying is even rational.

The week of 7/14/2008, a reporter on CNBC reported that less than .1% of all gas stations in the USA have the infrustructure in place to handle E85 fuel. The fact is that just about 100% have the infrustructure in place to handle E85. All they need is the stickers and optionally, a yellow hadle jacket for the pump handle.

Claims of the inefficiency of ethanol assume no use for byproducts or energy used to distill ethanol, yet nothing is mentioned about ineficiencies and waste from refining gasoline. A barrel of oil is 42 gallons. Depending on the quality of the oil, 19 to 26 gallons of gasoline is refined from the 42 gallon barrel of crude oil. Tack on the transportation costs, which are typically higher than ethanol due to distances, and gasoline doesnt look so efficient either.

While electric vehicles look like a promising answer, this is a very long term solution. We really dont seem to have much of a definition of what is short, mid, and long term, but both ethanol and offshore drilling sem to be fairly short term solutions.

Wind power may be expensive now, but may prove to be very inexpensive in the long run. Solar energy is starting to get to the point where it is "break even" depending on geographic area. Our government has been working on cleaner nuclear energy for many years. Electron accelerators are small, yet can steadily produce electricity very efficiently without the volume of waste associated with more conventional nuclear reactors.

With all the misinformation and debate over all of our alternatives, my concern is that our government will fail to make any decisions. One thing I learned while working for GE in the days of Jack Welch, is that not making any decision is far worse than making a decision which may not be the best decision.
Mike McCarthy Comment by Mike McCarthy on July 17, 2008 at 11:20am
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John D. Cochran Comment by John D. Cochran on July 16, 2008 at 1:29pm
Ungawd, here we go again. Ed Wallace must be in bed with the guy who wrote the anti-ethanol crap in Time Magazine last April.

Wallace’s first few paragraphs are fine examples of the art of rhetoric, but not much else. The suggestion that T. Boone Pickens might like to make some money out of this is not exactly epiphany.

Wallace says, “Pickens’ plan is slightly complicated…” No, Ed, it is highly and extraordinarily complicated, and we haven’t even seen all of it, yet. This topic is too complex to be reasonably treated solely in your article, this response, or anywhere else; save for the PickensPlan.com website itself – maybe.

“For one thing, refueling stations for natural gas vehicles are nearly as scarce as those for E85 ethanol.” Wallace says, but ignores a plethora of salient points, e.g.

○ a compressor and storage tank at your neighborhood station is mostly the entire “infrastructure” required to fuel natural gas powered vehicles,
○ E10 stations are E85 stations, whenever the right truck shows up,
○ Methane (that’s natural gas, to you, Wallace) is convertible to ethanol or other alcohols, so esoteric engine setups can be taken out of consideration.
○ The Honda Civic GX is currently an exercise; as a component of a complete natural gas transportation system. The reason it’s 10-grand more than the regular Civic is because absorption advantages haven’t taken hold at small volumes, and Honda is likely price-skimming. A business writer should understand this.

The rest of the article seems to slam the idea of wind turbine supplies as being unreliable and not cost-efficient.

The reliability angle is addressed by Boone’s concept of a complete grid of turbines, where the wind will always be blowing – somewhere – enough to push sufficient current into the grid. And, Boone places turbines in the “red” zones of the map for optimum performance.

Finally, Wallace says, “… the cost of installing a land-based wind generator … now pushing $2.6 million per megawatt hour.” Where did this number come from? The paragraph makes no technical sense, without supportive background. This is like saying the cost of your car is $100,000 per horsepower hour, or some dumbass thing, without costing out all the inputs, outputs, hours of effective operation, freezing and defining relevant variables, and so-forth.

I wish liberal arts mentalities would not try to write about technical things, because they continue to screw it up and promulgate biased misinformation to other lay persons; who compound putrefaction of the topic.

John D. Cochran
July 16, 2008
 

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