Multi-Fuel vehicles & American Fuel Vehicles
Solar Living Institute - Sol Fest 2008
Right now, the cost per mile by fuel type for my H2TOY, multi-fuel vehicle is:
$0.30 per mile on gasoline if I chose to use it, which I have not for over 200,000miles & counting
$0.18 per mile on E85
$0.11 per mile on H2
$0.032 yep that's right, 3.2 cents per mile on CNG
Heal The Snow and Intergalactic Hydrogen joined forces to represent all the cleaner fuels and distribute Kuhl clothes. We traveled 1902 miles round trip from SL, UT through Taho, Grass Valley, Yuba, Hopland, San Francisco, Incline Village and Reno. 92.295 g.g.e.'s of CNG and 28.956 gallons of E85 were used for a total of 121.25 gallons of fuel used and 2 gallons of biodiesel.
Teaming up on the transportation row @ Sol Fest, we displayed the H2TOY with- Electric Motor Sport, Yukia biofuels, David Blume, Toyota, Thunderstruck, Damon Knudson, and The North West AHA to name just a few.
Both of my public presentations on the road were captured in video. My Hydrogen and Clean Fuel Solution Revolution talk in the Renewable Energy Tent with slide show presentation was standing room only. At Sierra Nevada College, the students first day of class started with my Fuel History review, followed by Multi-Fuel Unity, which basically is the state of the state of ALL the cleaner, safer, local fuels. Where they work, and how we empower individuals with multi-fuel vehicles that can utilize existing infrastructure all over the Nation, while creating the demand for more clean-fuel stations because of the obvious economic advantages. The entire chemistry class then had hands on experience with my truck, an electric scooter and a CNG refueling station.
We look forward to returning to Sierra Nevada College to complete the commissioning of their very own CNG dispenser and delivering their new NGV’s.
Until next time, drive clean & declare your energy independence.....
Right now, the cost per mile by fuel type for my H2TOY, multi-fuel vehicle is:
$0.30 per mile on gasoline if I chose to use it, which I have not for over 200,000miles & counting
$0.18 per mile on E85
$0.11 per mile on H2
$0.032 yep that's right, 3.2 cents per mile on CNG
Heal The Snow and Intergalactic Hydrogen joined forces to represent all the cleaner fuels and distribute Kuhl clothes. We traveled 1902 miles round trip from SL, UT through Taho, Grass Valley, Yuba, Hopland, San Francisco, Incline Village and Reno. 92.295 g.g.e.'s of CNG and 28.956 gallons of E85 were used for a total of 121.25 gallons of fuel used and 2 gallons of biodiesel.
Teaming up on the transportation row @ Sol Fest, we displayed the H2TOY with- Electric Motor Sport, Yukia biofuels, David Blume, Toyota, Thunderstruck, Damon Knudson, and The North West AHA to name just a few.
Both of my public presentations on the road were captured in video. My Hydrogen and Clean Fuel Solution Revolution talk in the Renewable Energy Tent with slide show presentation was standing room only. At Sierra Nevada College, the students first day of class started with my Fuel History review, followed by Multi-Fuel Unity, which basically is the state of the state of ALL the cleaner, safer, local fuels. Where they work, and how we empower individuals with multi-fuel vehicles that can utilize existing infrastructure all over the Nation, while creating the demand for more clean-fuel stations because of the obvious economic advantages. The entire chemistry class then had hands on experience with my truck, an electric scooter and a CNG refueling station.
We look forward to returning to Sierra Nevada College to complete the commissioning of their very own CNG dispenser and delivering their new NGV’s.
Until next time, drive clean & declare your energy independence.....
Tags: b100, biodiesel, cng, e85, electric, ev, gas, h2, hydrogen, lng
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Permalink Reply by Brutal on -
I spoke with my mechanic this week and asked him if he would do a couple of CNG conversions on my 95 & 05 Chev. Pkps. He is more than willing, but he is also a good guy. He asked me if I knew that converting to natural gas would severely shorten the engine life. Of course, I did not, and now I am thinking it is not economically feasible for me to spend what it costs to convert all the while knowing I am looking at shortened engine life. Anyone care to comment?
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Permalink Reply by DubleDeuce on -
Brutal?
THAT is a brutal thing to say, EVEN if he IS a mechanic. And NOW you can take him OFF your "good guy" list.
The FACT is, ICE (internal combustion engines) do BETTER by far on natural gas then on liquid gasoline. WHY? Because liquid gas is introduced INTO the cylinder in the form of LIQUID droplets of fuel.
If you have a carb equipped engine, this "liquid droplet" conundrum has baffled the automotive world since the first car hit the road. Gasoline liquid droplets DO NOT totally evaporate into a totally gaseous form, EVER. And as such, their distribution in the engine is erratic and not uniform.
Ever wonder WHY you are required to "change you oil" every 5-7 thousand mile in a gasoline fueled car> It is because the gasoline air/fuel mixture NEVER fully burns completely (liquid gas cannot burn, only gas vapors can burn) and condenses on the cylinder walls (if you do a lot of short, stop and go driving, you need to change your oil more often as the engines' lack of warming up never has a chance to "burn off" the liquid fuel that goes into the oil) AND FINDS its way into the oil crankcase, diluting the oil, and contaminating it, and causing a witches brew of acids and sludge to prematurely ruin your engine slowly by virtue of "poor oil quality".
To avoid even the HINT of this happening, many people have reverted to changing their oil every 3-4 thousand miles, ensuring that no opportunity is given for contaminated oil to damage their engine.
Natural gas on the other hand, enters the cylinder ONLY as a gas, and NEVER as a liquid as it is NEVER, EVER in a liquid form...its whole life, from well head to injection, it is always in a gasous state. As such, none of the problems that I described to you above can EVER happen to your engine. In fact, if you put a pure synthetic oil in your engine you could run it for at least 20,000 mile without changing it.
With an NG fueled vehicle acid build up is now non-existent, oil contamination is NON-existent, and cylinder wall wash down is non-existent. Fuel distribution from cylinder to cylinder is now equal, as opposed to with a liquid based fuel and as such, each cylinder puts out a more EVEN amount of power, resulting in a more smoothly running engine.
I am an ASE- www.ase.com - Certified MASTER technician for automobiles and Medium/Heavy Trucks and I approve of this message.
And as for your mechanic/friend he is NEITHER.
The Deuceman
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Hemington on -
The Honda GX (NGV) engine has stronger pistons than the gasoline model. That is because NG burns at 1,500F while gasoline burns at just over 500F. The pistons are driven harder using NG.
However, gasoline is a solvent. When it enters the cylinder it washes the lubricating oil off, creating friction. It also leaves carbon in the cylinder and oil which acts as an abrasive, producing engine wear.
If an engine is built to use CNG, it should last many times longer than one burning gasoline.
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Permalink Reply by Tai Robinson on -
Has your mechanic ever driven a CNG vehicle??? He has no clue what he is talking about!!! CNG is methane, methane is one carbon and four hydrogens. Burning methane in an engine will increase your oil change intervals to about 20,000 miles + The sooner you install an aftermarket CNG fuel system to start burning CNG, the better it is for the engine. Engines burning natural gas from new have gone millions of miles and your engine will last longer too!
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Permalink Reply by Hugh Hemington on
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Brutal,
CNG has no carbon to wear the cylinder walls and foul the oil -- hence the 10,000 mile oil change interval.
My oil comes out looking exactly the way it went in.
Your mechanic is incorrect.
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