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For the people after the first 100 days of congress. For the future of our children and to make this place a better world before we pass it to them. This is our Goal.
Website: http://hard-hunting.com
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
Members: 653
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Your State ENERGY PARTY groups
Dear fellow citizen of the United States of America
We have created The Energy Party and the E solutions, Education, Environment, Energy, Economy, Employment, Equality, Equal taxation, Equal Healthcare, Enforcement of the law, and the Engagement of the military to protect the people of the United States of America and the EFFORTS of all of us to save our children’s future, for our future
Read and digest the words, help write the words, and lets be ready to live the words.
If for some reason or the other we can not accomplish Mr. Pickens Plan with the new congress and senate in the first 100 days after they assemble in 09, I would like to be ready with another movement that will enable us to make our own changes after the 2010 elections. We are here for a common cause that is worth fighting for and I believe will bond us together. Our economy in in shambles, our environment is threatened, all because of oil, big banks, big business and their congressional ties.
Join with me, lets be prepared to raise up and be heard and back up our words with action.
Our great nation has to become energy independent or many of us will suffer, economically stable or many of us will suffer, environmentally stable or many of us will suffer and die.
T. Boone Pickens has started this snow ball effect in the energy sector of our lives and I applaud him, and I whole-heartedly support him and his project. I have seen this snow ball of suggestions turn into an avalanche of hopes and dreams for many of you and me.
When in the course of events and with what has conspired in the past weeks, months, years with the economy and environment we must include these Efforts with energy if we would survive. I have said in other discussions on this forum, and I proudly say again, I am a nobody from the middle of nowhere. I am a husband, a father, a carpenter, a businessman. I have tried like so many of you to sway my congressman, woman, and government to work for we the people, and use the power we have bestowed upon them, truthfully, clearly, righteously, with honor for we the people. As one we are nothing to them. As many joined together in a common cause we are a powerful force to be recognized and have voice that will be heard
The failure of our two party political system to lead, protect, defend, and secure this great country is why I take pen in hand and try to set right the wrong our government has conspired with.
Therefore I create this group with the fervent hope that we the people can band together, and with justice for all improve on the words penned below. Feel free to voice your opinion, add to or subtract from the pledge. T. Boone we support you, will you support, help and guide us.
Our forefathers started an avalanche in their day, I have seen the support for our legacy sway. Please let this be our time, to this end I pray.
This pledge is taken from the greatest document ever penned “The Declaration of Independence of The United States of America.” I in my feeble and humble attempt have reworded this great document to reflect our times. Please read, reconstruct, add to or change, but do not criticize, I am very thin skinned, lets discuss energy, lets discuss the economy, lets discuss the environment, we are all in this together. If change is what they want, change is what we will give them because I am tired of waiting for them to change.
The Pledge
Of the The ENERGY PARTY and the E solutions, Education, Environment, Energy, Economy, Employment, Equality, Equal taxation, Equal Healthcare, Enforcement of the law, and the Engagement of the military to protect the people of the United States of America and the EFFORTS of all of us who have joined.
We the people of the United States of America in order to form a more perfect government and stop the insanity and greed of our elected officials and the ability of big money to influence said officials have bonded together to form the Energy, Economical, and Environmental Party with and in the Pickens Plan.
It is the right, privilege, honor, and duty of each member of our great country to preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, and To right the wrongs beset upon them by the presently elected two party political system.
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for the people to oppose these political bandits and the corruption to which they have become connected, and to re-establish the integrity and honor of the powers of the office bestowed by their fellow man, and the respect of the opinions of the people and that mankind requires that they should adhere to the will of the people when elected.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are suffer-able, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and corruption, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these United States of America; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present two party political system is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation's, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
They have worded their campaign election laws as to hinder a 3rd parties equal participation.
They have ignored the will and happiness of the American people to better themselves.
They have sold their office to the highest bidder to better themselves.
They have altered the American economy to benefit themselves and others.
They have allowed our great country to become dependent on foreign countries to better themselves and others.
They have failed to protect our borders to benefit themselves and others.
They have governed with special interest and are governed by special interest to benefit themselves and others.
They have squandered the power given to them by the majority.
They have abandon the American labor force
They have written tax laws with loop-holes for the wealthy to benefit themselves and others.
They have acted in a manner unbecoming the office they hold.
They have let the tort system operate unabated to benefit themselves and others
They have protected their offices from the American people to their benefit
They have ruled with fear and hatred to suppress their fellow man
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In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated silence. A politician whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Criminal, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
We have warned them from time to time for their lack of governing and corruption. We have reminded them of the circumstances of their corruption. We have appealed to their since of justice with no avail. We must therefore set the record straight and fine it necessary to denounce them as a reprehensive of the people and endeavor to remove from your seat in the great halls of our government and hold them accountable for their actions.
We, therefore as the people of the United States of America in general assembly appealing to the good people of each state and district for the morality, goodness, and decency of our intentions, and by the authority of the good people of these United States, solemnly declare that if elected we will serve the will of the people we represent. We absolve all allegiance with those who would unlawfully profit from our reward granted by the people. Having been elected by the people, we establish alliances and support this declaration, and with firm reliance of the people pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred Honor
This is the heart and soul of the ENERGY PARTY and the people of the United States of America.
Past elections, past promises of change, past disappointments of promised change have brought us together to plan ahead of disappointments this time.
This is not an attempt to find a presidential candidate at all because history shows us when a 3rd party aims for the White House they fail and we take two or three steps back and stumble to the ground becoming comical fodder for the media. This is to encourage people to run for congress as a 3rd party candidate in 2010
ENERGY PARTY PLATFORM
Your State ENERGY PARTY groups
Dear fellow citizen of the United States of America
We have created The Energy Party and the E solutions, Education, Environment, Energy, Economy, Employment, Equality, Equal taxation, Equal Healthcare, Enforcement of the law, and the Engagement of the military to protect the people of the United States of America and the EFFORTS of all of us to save our children’s future, for our future
Read and digest the words, help write the words, and lets be ready to live the words.
If for some reason or the other we can not accomplish Mr. Pickens Plan with the new congress and senate in the first 100 days after they assemble in 09, I would like to be ready with another movement that will enable us to make our own changes after the 2010 elections. We are here for a common cause that is worth fighting for and I believe will bond us together. Our economy in in shambles, our environment is threatened, all because of oil, big banks, big business and their congressional ties.
Join with me, lets be prepared to raise up and be heard and back up our words with action.
Our great nation has to become energy independent or many of us will suffer, economically stable or many of us will suffer, environmentally stable or many of us will suffer and die.
T. Boone Pickens has started this snow ball effect in the energy sector of our lives and I applaud him, and I whole-heartedly support him and his project. I have seen this snow ball of suggestions turn into an avalanche of hopes and dreams for many of you and me.
When in the course of events and with what has conspired in the past weeks, months, years with the economy and environment we must include these Efforts with energy if we would survive. I have said in other discussions on this forum, and I proudly say again, I am a nobody from the middle of nowhere. I am a husband, a father, a carpenter, a businessman. I have tried like so many of you to sway my congressman, woman, and government to work for we the people, and use the power we have bestowed upon them, truthfully, clearly, righteously, with honor for we the people. As one we are nothing to them. As many joined together in a common cause we are a powerful force to be recognized and have voice that will be heard
The failure of our two party political system to lead, protect, defend, and secure this great country is why I take pen in hand and try to set right the wrong our government has conspired with.
Therefore I create this group with the fervent hope that we the people can band together, and with justice for all improve on the words penned below. Feel free to voice your opinion, add to or subtract from the pledge. T. Boone we support you, will you support, help and guide us.
Our forefathers started an avalanche in their day, I have seen the support for our legacy sway. Please let this be our time, to this end I pray.
This pledge is taken from the greatest document ever penned “The Declaration of Independence of The United States of America.” I in my feeble and humble attempt have reworded this great document to reflect our times. Please read, reconstruct, add to or change, but do not criticize, I am very thin skinned, lets discuss energy, lets discuss the economy, lets discuss the environment, we are all in this together. If change is what they want, change is what we will give them because I am tired of waiting for them to change.
The Pledge
Of the The ENERGY PARTY and the E solutions, Education, Environment, Energy, Economy, Employment, Equality, Equal taxation, Equal Healthcare, Enforcement of the law, and the Engagement of the military to protect the people of the United States of America and the EFFORTS of all of us who have joined.
We the people of the United States of America in order to form a more perfect government and stop the insanity and greed of our elected officials and the ability of big money to influence said officials have bonded together to form the Energy, Economical, and Environmental Party with and in the Pickens Plan.
It is the right, privilege, honor, and duty of each member of our great country to preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, and To right the wrongs beset upon them by the presently elected two party political system.
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for the people to oppose these political bandits and the corruption to which they have become connected, and to re-establish the integrity and honor of the powers of the office bestowed by their fellow man, and the respect of the opinions of the people and that mankind requires that they should adhere to the will of the people when elected.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are suffer-able, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and corruption, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these United States of America; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present two party political system is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation's, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
They have worded their campaign election laws as to hinder a 3rd parties equal participation.
They have ignored the will and happiness of the American people to better themselves.
They have sold their office to the highest bidder to better themselves.
They have altered the American economy to benefit themselves and others.
They have allowed our great country to become dependent on foreign countries to better themselves and others.
They have failed to protect our borders to benefit themselves and others.
They have governed with special interest and are governed by special interest to benefit themselves and others.
They have squandered the power given to them by the majority.
They have abandon the American labor force
They have written tax laws with loop-holes for the wealthy to benefit themselves and others.
They have acted in a manner unbecoming the office they hold.
They have let the tort system operate unabated to benefit themselves and others
They have protected their offices from the American people to their benefit
They have ruled with fear and hatred to suppress their fellow man
ADD MORE HERE
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated silence. A politician whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Criminal, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
We have warned them from time to time for their lack of governing and corruption. We have reminded them of the circumstances of their corruption. We have appealed to their since of justice with no avail. We must therefore set the record straight and fine it necessary to denounce them as a reprehensive of the people and endeavor to remove from your seat in the great halls of our government and hold them accountable for their actions.
We, therefore as the people of the United States of America in general assembly appealing to the good people of each state and district for the morality, goodness, and decency of our intentions, and by the authority of the good people of these United States, solemnly declare that if elected we will serve the will of the people we represent. We absolve all allegiance with those who would unlawfully profit from our reward granted by the people. Having been elected by the people, we establish alliances and support this declaration, and with firm reliance of the people pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred Honor
This is the heart and soul of the ENERGY PARTY and the people of the United States of America.
Past elections, past promises of change, past disappointments of promised change have brought us together to plan ahead of disappointments this time.
This is not an attempt to find a presidential candidate at all because history shows us when a 3rd party aims for the White House they fail and we take two or three steps back and stumble to the ground becoming comical fodder for the media. This is to encourage people to run for congress as a 3rd party candidate in 2010
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Comment by Robert Schultz on May 30, 2009 at 4:03pm - Thanks for the OPEC pricing lesson David. We still need to get that oil filled needle out of our arm!
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Comment by david epps on May 30, 2009 at 3:12pm -
<<I have hated the "BUSH’S" since 1978>>
JD Polk has made my point and exhibits the desired outcome of propaganda pure unadulterated hate and don't think for a moment that 30 years of hate has not warped his judgment and turned him into an ugly man. Osama’s dad business is irrelevant, Solar system hot water and PV in 1980 is irrelevant, and citing acquaintances is irrelevant. They each evoke an emotion unrelated to the current predicament and evoking these emotions is an attempt to brainwash using the Hegelian dialectic
Real Petroleum Prices are computed by dividing the nominal price in a given month by the ratio of the Consumer Price Index (CPI) in that month to the CPI in some "base" period. The Real Petroleum Prices spreadsheet and charts are updated every month so that the current month is the base period in the monthly price series. Consequently, all real prices are expressed in "current" dollars and any current month price may be compared directly with any past or projected real prices.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/fsheets/real_prices.html
The world oil consumption has almost tripled since 1965. In 2006, the global oil demand was at 81.6 million barrels per day. The above graph indicates the regional distribution of this demand. North American and European consumption has remained relatively constant over the last 25 years. A significant share of the new oil demand is assumed by Pacific Asian nations going through rapid industrialization and motorization, particularly China, which has become the world's second largest importer after the United States.
Who are the main consumers of oil? Nearly two thirds of global crude oil production is consumed by the leading industrialised nations – i.e. the nations that make up the Organisation of Economic Cooperation and Development. But a rising share of oil demand is coming from the emerging market economies including China, Brazil, Russia and India.
JD Polk's claim can not be substantiated by the data!
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Comment by JD Polk on May 30, 2009 at 9:25am -
NO BRAINWASHING HERE SIR,
I have hated the "BUSH’S" since 1978 when then CIA director George H Bush went to Saudi Arabia and struck deal with the then Oil Minister Rami Ben Laden (Osama’s dad) to refine their oil…
As well as when he became Vice President in 80’ first 2weeks in office he had the Solar system hot water and PV ripped out of the White House Jimmy Carter installed in 78’
I no this Family very well, personally, while attending UT @ Austin in 79’ & 80’
I was @ the LBJ Ranch often. Lady Bird was a Friend…
Oh, I’m sorry guess you can’t remember back that far….
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Comment by Kevin Espeseth on May 30, 2009 at 9:14am -
Thanks for the service of ice water guys. It was getting a bit hot down here.
Back to reality. In my particular situation, I will have to develop my own retirement home to move any of this at all. That means, in 5-10 years, I will have to take the land I have, and every year or so, invest about $3,000 into it to :1 / set one container on sight for storage, 2 / bring in the elect.,3 / bring in the water, and 4 / bring up a second container for the other half of the enclosure.This should cost about $15,000, over the next 5-10 years.
At that point, I can retire to the property, on the social security, and use the monthly checks to upgrade the property as the money allows. Of course, this all depends on my health holding out, and maybe we will, by that time, have a better price for the electrical energy we generate. If so, I will keep putting up small windmills to boost my monthly income (probably for medical insurance).
That's the reality of it. This is also an estimate of how long I expect these representatives to take in this "free trade for clean energy" concept. My real concern is that they don't tax the easy return for the individual out of existence after that.You may find yourself in a similar situation. If so, the plans are on my page. Copy, share, repeat.
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Comment by Robert Schultz on May 30, 2009 at 8:22am
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Too much talk of brainwashing and propaganda, too many arguments, and not enough constructive discussion....
Kevin has a few good points that get lost in his defensive arguments and lengthy discourse.
1) cr*p in the air = carbon.
May not be a problem to you, and it may not be the primary focus of any energy / economic objective, but I don't accept the practice of dumping my trash over the fence into the neighbor's yard because it would be convenient.
>>Whether or not you believe carbon pollution causes global warming doesn't matter. Producing CLEAN ENERGY should be our goal for sustainability.
2) The start up cost for the large system generation points, and the diminishing returns the larger the generation system gets. Most of this will require those systems to pay the lion's share of the line construction, with a proportional monthly rate needed to maintain the towers.
>>Seems fair to me, large scale generators should pay the majority of line building costs and maintenance costs.
3) All morality aside, this is how the market (recently in particular) has so many bubble and busts. When the business involved produce product that is effective for the public, the market is good. When these companies stop developing new concept, and turn to profit taking, the market collapses.
The intermediate sized manufactures need to be developed. As a nation (in particular) we need to become -again- a product to customer production objective.
>> We need to quit living as a consumer and become producers again. America used to export more products, and technology was developed here first. With corporate greed looking for cheap labor and higher profits, the American workers have been forced into unemployment.
Oil prices went sky high under Bush (in large part) because of wars in middle east and the billions of dollars being spent ruined the economy. Current fluctuations are more likely related to market readjustment, and summer driving season increasing demand (and the potential for profit).
It is time to take the oil-filled needle out of the arm of America. End our addiction to foreign oil! Let's rebuild our economy with clean energy, put autoworkers back to work, shift some into building energy systems and infrastructure. We have the workforce and the technology to make it work, now! Encourage intermediate and small business development, and creation of small and mid-scale community energy projects. These will provide energy relief and jobs, community involvement, and lower the dependence on "Big Energy" demands and infrastructure, also spreading the supply sources makes it harder to cause large scale blackouts.
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Comment by Al Toman on May 30, 2009 at 8:10am -
I'm not sure in all y'all communities but here where I live, since the beginning of the Pickens Plan, not a single thing with respect to energy has been built, achieved, constructed, devised, or other wise other than that regular gasoline is approaching the $4.00 mark.
I'm still trying to get my contribution off the ground but it goes slow. I'm self funded, no bailouts, no stimulus. Just lil ol me. It's very discouraging but I will keep hacking at it until it takes off or I die.
Since the conception of Pickens Plan, has anyone a success story to tell? What has been the general overall effect in your community of the Pickens Plan?
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Comment by Kevin Espeseth on May 30, 2009 at 7:25am
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I will presume that everyone on the page is getting tired of the emails with the statement of either of us has a "new" post on this page, so this will be my last response in this area.
cr*p in the air = carbon.
May not be a problem to you, and it may not be the primary focus of any energy / economic objective, but I don't accept the practice of dumping my trash over the fence into the neighbor's yard because it would be convenient.
Clean electrical energy = wind power -mostly-.
Thing is, if a person can get a decent paycheck for the -clean- energy they produce, who cares how they do it? With this, people will find a way to build the machinery to do so. Solar cost will drop eventually, and are more "turn key" than wind, but residential wind (@ 2-5 HP) can be quite cheap to purchase and maintain (again, see my page) if a few auto alternator manufactures retool slightly.
It = you
See my (pervious, about two back) post about the real -probable- reasons we find ourselves at this part of the road. However, if you want to present any such strategic reasoning about this direction of thought ,and bring some depth to the board, I will respond.
FYI, here is some more of my "propaganda", in case you haven't read it before.
This figure is based on 20 HP per home multiplied by 50,000,0000 homes.
That figure is actually conservative, when you consider the other manufacturing sales that go along with it. Add to that the export sales to developing communities, and the -potential- auto sales (if they go to a home based system of converting natural gas [from the home] to heat and energy with a mulit-fuel design, with an additional stylistic convertor [that turns carbon dioxide into calcium carbonate], and you can add some more persuasion to the mix.
You will need to persuade the oil and coal (as well as the utilities) that it is in their best interest as well, so I would recommend selling the coal on the gasification for LP/home use, the oil into converting anything sold in the supermarket to required to be contained in plastic (for the recycling cost / simplicity, -check your home trash if you don't believe me here-), the concept of better return, control, influence, and involvement for oil to be able to invest now, in a wider range of markets, and the utilities on the durability, reduced op cost, and the free energy they get to distribute, of the infrastructure (if the home lines are 20 HP as opposed to 2 HP now).
The cadaver in the mix is the start up cost for the large system generation points, and the diminishing returns the larger the generation system gets. Most of this will require those systems to pay the lion's share of the line construction, with a proportional monthly rate needed to maintain the towers. It is more fair, but these are greedy bastards, it is how they got here. $20 monthly connection fee (increased to $200/mth for 20 HP system) isn't much for a small system, but move that up to GWH levels, and even the Pickens windmills start to look less attractive.
Luck, it is a long road.
Excuse me for sounding like a complete buffoon about this, but (from my perception) you are talking about the hydraulics of the "stock market machinery", not the control(s).
One, of the primary capitalization traps that these people use to "percentage" your money is to get the investment public to concentrate on -just- the figures involved in the exchange process, deliberately hiding what the specific money is to be used for.
All morality aside, this is how the market (recently in particular) has so many bubble and busts. When the business involved produce product that is effective for the public, the market is good. When these companies stop developing new concept, and turn to profit taking, the market collapse.
Until the money flow can be restructured form this central method of control, and back into -much- more local recircularization, this opportunistic and unstable environment will continue to exist. The intermediate sized manufactures need to be developed -substantially- for this to occur. As a nation (in particular) we need to become -again- a product to customer production objective.
One, example:
In WW 2, the economy went from depression, to -very- healthy, by the massive movement of money within the country to other locations (within the country) and around again, many times, to many locations. What we did with the "product" (basically mechanical devices) was just give them away to other countries. Hell, we even provide shipping.The key here was that we actually produced material, and that material was the measure of value in the exchange.
Currently, value is whatever a -very few- people want to say it is.
The proof of this can be found in my advertised concept of "Free trade for CLEAN energy" (see my page for details). This single suppressed right in commerce, corrected to allow ALL individuals to compete in the world energy market will breach this "tobacco company mentality" for good, with a market that will not bubble bust again.
Essentially we "carpet bomb" the developing countries with -CLEAN- energy production housing product, spend the money within the country (over and over again) in the new companies that are supplied with low cost energy sold to them by local suppliers, to make energy generation equipment, to supply more energy (and all that that implies).
Retirement? All you have to do to engage in this process is sign a contract to live in the energy production facility until the low interest loan is paid off (very low interest, because the loan is secure / possibly automatic), and call the company repair man if the equipment warning lights go on / off.
Real complicated ain't it?
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Comment by JASON on May 30, 2009 at 4:43am -
Very true JD and they will do it again and this administration will do the same as Bush and more. Oil is going up now in time to skim off stimulus money starting to hit the streets for road ready projects.
Maybe we need another kick in the ass before we do something about congress!!!
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Comment by david epps on May 29, 2009 at 7:54pm
- Russian Newspaper Says USA Is Descending Rapidly Into Marxism… They would know. Pravda means Truth!
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Comment by Kevin Espeseth on May 29, 2009 at 6:05pm
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To play the devil's advocate here for a sec.. There are legitimate reasons for the "people in charge" to have followed the path they have:
"The consumption of a product is control of said product", and others are deprived of a lower start up energy cost that would be to their advantage. ....good point, whether you accept the morality of it or not...
"The encouragement of large production facility keeps -all- the technology on the front of the pack". This works -only- if you keep investing a constant percentage back into that machinery as opposed to re-directing it back to profit for investment encouragement, (not necessarily the utility companies fault directly).
"The large single source type energy generation complex will be a better incentive for any 'mutually assured destruction agreement', as it will be more concise for targeting of said facilities." As Dr. Strangelove said, "The whole point of this device becomes moot if nobody knows about it. Why haven't you told anyone about it!?! Now, you know.
(prep for think tank types)
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