PHASE THREE

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Permalink Reply by Marco Fleming on July 20, 2008 at 7:52pm

Phase Three driven toward contractors that build wind frams , do you feel this is a good idea. How about opening it up to GC's that do site work , concrete contractors , electrical contractors etc who may want to get involved in our cause. These are the contractors the GC will be using to complete projects as most GC's are paper tigers not self preformers.

Permalink Reply by Richard Bradford on July 20, 2008 at 10:36pm

Yes Marco,

As a GC this is the Phase where the fund would be contracting with general contractors like yourself. We need to ram rod this project and wont be able to do if if we try to act as the GC. There is much work in the implemntation phase that will take experienced professionals like yourself who know the right and wrong way to get things done most effeciently.

Welcome to the group. Give us some time. This will not be happening overnight.

Cheers

Richard Bradford,
Davie, Florida

Permalink Reply by Jim McConnell on July 24, 2008 at 9:32am

You need to move the selection of contractors to Phase One... So many investors need to understand you never plan to fail you fail to plan. Your experienced contractors with a proven track record in building concentrated solar, PV or wind generation is key to the success of any project. Planning is one of the first steps. How do you know if the land site is ok? If the wind blows and if you have enough sunlight? How much will it cost? Why have cost overruns? These are all key factors no one seems to be looking at. Selection of a General Contractor is not the answer. We need Engineering-General contractor firms that have built these power plants in the past and have a proven track record. We can not leave it up to a group of contractors to decide who goes first. Please contact me, my email address is jmcqq@verizon.net we have a group of companies with this experience to complete a profitable green power plant. Also follow this link for more information. http://www.lpdaniel.com/ we have a proven track record.

Permalink Reply by ML Hayes on October 22, 2008 at 1:34pm

Richard,
I guess I'm a little late to the show, but I'm here now.

You have started the ball to rolling and you are getting a lot of solid interest. Perhaps an Investment Club could collaborate to share the load. There isn't any harm in that.

Your plan could provide a private point of reference to the investors for sub-contractors, GC, and vendors while giving Pickins Plan participants an avenue for investment in all of the above. The Investment Club would use its resources donated by those participants to position them with the industry leaders that work to generate energy independence for th enation in a sane (economically) and humane (politically) way. This is a two teired concept that attract every kind of investor and should be far easier to market to the public outside the Pickens Plan.

We should not forget that the objective of the Pickens Club isn't monolithic. You have a primary that may be my secondary and vice versa. We don't have to be opposed. We are going to be neighbors no matter what, so lets see if we can improve the neighborhood (nation) and provide some leadership to those developing regions of the world. This is important because those global neighbors just might be more the cause of climate change than we (the 300 Million) Americans are.

Inefficient methods of construction and energy production equals pollution, contamination and elevated toxicity. Gigantic catch up projects just concentrate the mess. When you start putting billions of people to work doing something other than weaving baskets and farming, you can reall kick up a lot of dust.

To conclude and make the final point, we are not in this alone. All the progress possible if we started appling 100% of the resouces available at 3AM tommorrow morning won't save us from the 97% of the human species duplicating the successes of our great-grand parents. Those methodologies will strangle the air and poisin the water, that all it takes to kill the plant life and then it curtains for us all.

Ecologically we America, are becoming much like the Spartans at Thermopylae. Over taxes and self-subjugated we stand in the pass against overwhelm odds with nought but strategic position, our wits and will on our side. There will be no reinforcements. The politicians have seen to that. The onslought is a 8805.36 : 1. If we surrender we die quickly with disgrace. If we fight we can take as many as are willing with us. You get the idea?

None of us engaged in the Pickens Plan will survive till the Age of Ecological Revival given the damage that already gas been inflicted on the planet. We can lead the battle to stem the tide, but we as a people and a nation can't win the war without sacrificing something precious.

This is the notion that that we can't change global attitudes or defeat ignorance so we might as well enjoy the ride. Cheap fuel is the crack cocaine, heroin, & lsd of society. Producing nations will slow production to create scarcity and drive up prices. What you going to do bomb'em? Now there is no production and a three to five year wait to just get back to the pre-embargo levels. Once there, the producers will get religion and open the spigots till we forget about conservation.

Remeber, there are no monarchal elections. The real partial solution is to tax ourselves into condition of discipline, but that shouldn't be the sole objective. Conversion from petroleum (especially the imported variety) to CNG and the rest of the alternatives should be done in a way that allows tax revenues to be redistributed to adopter at the personal, community, and commercial level.

The Pickens Plan has shown that the legistlation for permitting this to happen isn't on the books. Hell, the national policy is still making like its too ambitious to make an cheap automobile that gets 50 mpg. We are going to have to put that scarced cow and many other status symbol energy hogs on the alter and cook them to a crips if we plan to come out of this without constantly fighting wars and playing the role of Earth's Cops.

The idea that we can sustain that action without draining the will of the people is as absurd as lipstick on a pig. Pig don't care and it doesn't improve the taste of pork. This has gotten out of hand, so I will end it here.

Comment invited.

ML "Mickey" Hayes
Pickens Plan Ambassador

Permalink Reply by Marlene H. on December 3, 2008 at 8:17am

Has anyone even considered a zero coupon bond approach. It could have a 10 year due date. This would negate the need for administration costs and the need to pay interest for the 10 year period. Taxfree would be my own desire. We talked about it earlier on another group. Small group. Most were interested in investing in such an approach. I would do so in my grandchildren's names as a college fund.

A potential win win situation.

The other approach is too risky in the current situation as far as I am concerned.