Clean & Green Emerging Nuclear Science

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Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 17, 2009 at 10:23pm

Mr. Pickens,

Business plan here is very simple: None!

* Our most potent nerds are all radicals, angry, anti-establishment, anarchistic, anti-"The Man" sorts. "Stick it to the man! Down with The Man!!!!" :-) No chance on doing the corporate dance or being polite. With you on Energy Independence, but couldn't care less about saving the planet and all that. So, we actually have the most perfect business plan of all tech jive ever proposed: It's as the business world proposes to us, not the other way around. Our focus is on just making everything work as stated on the technical. Business and politics we leave to men like you.

* We don't go the whole greenie, Clean Tech path are much more agreeable to Conservatives and the Right. Military and right-wing pals normally disgusted by your greenies love our destruction of the Prius commie car, refusal to go green, and that we put it to warmonger applications instead. So, you want our technology for EV cars? Hah!! Ain't gonna give it. Let these stinkin' greenies beg for it. :-) No such thing as bad publicity. Nothing more seductive than what you can't have. :-) Nice to just be obnoxious as we are.

* Technology focus on a couple areas different from the normal clean tech:

1) Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and other robots. A major area of defense need. These electric vehicles are much more stealthy (less infrared signature and noise). We focus on keeping the robots globally flying and for months on end; Eventually years. That can later flow down into the EV automobile market, but that's a whole political game we'd be stupid push now. This niche market alone has little resistance. Taking the path of least resistance is almost always best to indirect assault upon the same objectives.

2) Cheaper access of telecommunications to near-space through those enhanced, long-duration Unmanned Aircraft Systems. Aircraft aloft 24/7 for months to years allows payload you'd normally put on a satellite to go into the stratosophere or lower and just hold in pattern orbit. This reduces signal latency time -- enabling faster Internet and cell phone wi-fi of greater bandwidth.

3) Maritime applications - many. Yacht power systems. Defense.

4) Spacecraft -- deep space power of greater energy density per pound than possible through nuclear RTG's. Enabling operations on the dark side of the Moon, Mars, and beyond. Future more wild spacecraft power supply.

5) Consumer Electronics -- laptops, cell phones, and other gizmos that never need recharge. Never need sunlight, etc.

6) Recreational Vehicle gensets, portable power needs of the military, and a whole host of other things before we even need to compete with the automotive and industrial/ residential grid power markets (which can be very hostile to such things!) The Army has investment interests in natural gas, wind, solar, etc. Those elements are often extremely hostile to technology that can do it far better. Come on now! It's just about 2010. Man ought to be able to do better than fancy caveman tech of windmills! Reality is we can strip that prop off your windmills, take away the need for wind, cut down the masts, and you can pack that wind farm into a smaller confine. I don't know how happy that'll make you in regard to what you've got invested in wind, but keep it. It's all good. Just don't put all your eggs in one basket.

...The technology I'm talking about here can run phones and laptops, fuel-less, safely, and with no radiation issues on unit sizes from a pack of gum to pack of smokes. Moving into softball size, that's enough to drive most small umanned aircraft. Moving into shoebox to microwave oven size, that's enough to run EV cars and your average house as if they were non-stop nuke submarines. Moving upward from mini-van to bus sizes, now you're at portable, industrial Kilowatt to Megawatt class. Portable power like that is capable of at least giving the U.S. and emerging nations all the power they need. That can save the grid power companies oodles in fuel costs. That can also be packed into locomotives -- which are already electric vehicles -- and they can stop burning fuel.

...As for the heavy truck industry, there are means of totally reworking electric vehicle motors, making them light and extremely powerful, and integrating in such fuel-less technology to drive a Peterbuilt rig endlessly, too.

....But once you get too radical like that, oh they all hate you!! So, we'll take what business is allowed by "The Man" and his nazis. :-) He can't squash it. It's spreading in the world. It's growing daily. All he can do is get onboard the train and make money from it or be left behind. Best we can do here is outline a general plan worth many billions of dollars and savings to "The Man" and his multi-trillion dollar energy racket. To what level our technology enters the pie is irrelevant. I don't have need for much money. We only spend it on more nerd stuff. As for saving the world? Oh, hell with them. They can save themselves. Best inroad I see is to go down the same path solar once did in starting up: aerospace and electronics. Any global niche market secured is good.

...Our technology is, yes, disruptive. I believe it should also be restricted on the higher performance, aerospace variants. We get lots of offshore offers, but I'd prefer to keep it in the U.S. for now. Defense intelligence needs some time to prepare for a new day of improvised cruise missiles and flying IED's capable of global range. Whether our tech or what's brewing out there, that's coming. The various tricks of the trade we keep for making things light-weight and of extreme power density per volume and weight...those probably shouldn't be spread too freely in the world. We're actually going to have to downgrade this stuff -- making everything heavier, lower output, and more bulky in order to give it a good civilian market. And all that has to be negotiated.

...The other dimension is that technology like this needs a more gradual and sly introduction to the market. We operate in a science world that is almost 140 years neglected. Concepts completely off-the-wall and derided by arrogant, idiot "scientists" and yapping know-nothings. Only in the last couple decades have Nobel-level physicists been advancing the understanding.

For example, most idiots out there who think they know so much about science will tell you that Cold Fusion does not exist. Here, look at two American school girls who gave us our best data on CFR.

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/html/cfrmhmc.htm
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/index.htm

Reality: Cold Fusion does exist. It was just greatly derided by the Hot Fission and Hot Fusion jealous industries. It remains the subject of ongoing, serious R&D in Europe and globally. As with most things going on in technology, Snow Labs learns far more keeping technical intel watch of the world and American industry has pretty much nothing left to teach us. That's pathetic! Too much commerce overshadowing true science.

In any case, Cold Fusion is not the Snow Labs interest; for it still requires at least water as a fuel and that is not suitable for our aerospace engineering applications. A lot of what we do does overlap, and, actually, we don't even look at the quantum world from a particle physics view. We take the wave perspective instead. All are just waves down there. All just music and hypergeometric tunes. If you sing properly to the "atom", she sings back and dances for you. That's all. We're just not into drunken wife-beating the atom --- like these caveman hack nuclear physicists do! We basically wine her, dine her, romance her, and then dances like a happy fiend for us. :-) Like that you have unlimited power supply and also the aerospace fun of making gravity-defying propulsion systems, too!

...And a deep understanding of this whole area is something "The Man" does not want the world to know about too much. Yet, the world continues to learn more about it. It's pointless to keep suppressing it. Every other nation is brewing it and we're falling behind.

Cold Fusion or partial variants of it are actually extremely common in nature. Aside from our stuff, what I wanted to point out to you and the Army are these lower-performance technologies:

John Kanzius' discovery that microwave excitation of sea water makes it burn like fuel! That has great potential to provide clean fuel supply for everything along with natural gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UDw5-YIaYo

More on the burning of water into plasma (aerospace propulsion applications, too. See: NASA JPL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs-Uk511S_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR7eIbL1Ffc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVsgSjm_vXg

...Still pretty caveman tech, but not half bad. Certainly a whole different path of alternative energy some of the Army may enjoy working with over time while our own systems take a different niche market.

Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 17, 2009 at 10:38pm

CORRECTION

I said: It doesn't put out the whopper level of power as nuclear chain reactions or fusion, but it is sufficient for our own applications.

...I mean, as things are now with our gizmos, it doesn't put out that level of power.

...We basically poke micro and nano wormholes into the space-time structure and throttle in some of that wave energy of hyperspace. Just little needle pokes. More pokes = more wattage draw. Where you start to throttle too much through the wormhole, things then go more unstable. Larger systems can be built to essentially become like the reactor you'd expect to find in the Starship Enterprise, but, once Scotty steps on the gas pedal too much or too hard....that can be bad stuff! Doing it well gives you oodles of electricity. Doing it a little harder starts to make your equipment lose mass. Push the beast too much and, well, that can lead to fun new things, too....but that's a little too crazy to talk about with newbies. Suffice it to say things get increasingly volatile.

We have pals who can levitate your washing machine into the ceiling or smash it to dust with a wicked laugh. We explore ways of doing that with far heavier, multi-ton objects -- negating their mass entirely and hurling that mass at exponentially increasing speed so that flight from here to any star system you want is no longer impossible....nor governed by Einstein's hokey "speed limit". That same understanding can be used to level cities, knock down skyscrapers with ease, and bad things like that...or those "phasors" for a future Enteprise can come in real handy -- oh, for crumbling to cookie dust that annoying little space rock (Apophis) headed for Earth around 2029 to 2036 and likely to kill hundreds of millions of people. You could even do like a Star Wars, planet-destroying, Death Star ray someday, but that's kind of a stretch at the point. Best we can do near-term is work on the early cave man days of those warp engines, reactors, and phasor guns along with that deep space, faster-than-light telecommunications issue.

In the meantime, that's too far out so we make warmonger goodies to make our little helos fly wild! To hell with you greenie peaceniks and your Prius! :-) We prefer smashing tanks and making devilish fun on the battlefield.

Don't like it? Too bad. Consider yourselves lucky we haven't nuked the world yet.....yet. Only reason we don't? Well, too many good-looking women still in it! Why be a party pooper. :-)

Permalink Reply by Arga Blarg on October 18, 2009 at 1:22am

Can this tech make money now?

Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 18, 2009 at 6:51am

Can this tech make money now?

I suppose it could make some if we unleashed it as-is and without assembly of a suitable team -- hokey little units the public can buy for their homes, cars, and all that. Then, other nations and competitors would copycat. They'd put better stuff on the market before we even better finalize things.

The 1400 Watt, softball unit is in early proof-of-concept prototype (POCP) exploration and refinement to hit that 1400W target. Lower performing proof-of-concept is done. Higher wattage proof-of-concept is done sufficient to power EV cars and the average home. In fact, variants are already operating EV cars indefinitely. Higher performance, compact aerospace and electronics variants...these need more work.

Timeframes?

Oh, I don't even bother making predictions there. Whatever a nerd says on time or money, always multiply by at least 4 for program reality. My own health is banged up and I live in pain daily, so I work slowly on it. At age 37, I'm more like 85 on my worst days and closer to 50 on my good ones. A cranky old fart. Everything takes me 10 to 100 times longer than a normal man these days, and I'm now flaky, too. Where not that, sanity eludes me now and then.

A handful of engineers could push it into Development and commercial prototype reality within months once we're a little more certain on the 1400 Watt target. If we fail to hit 1400 Watts (the power budget I set for the Merlin X-1), even partially hitting that is far more than presently done and ample power to keep the fixed wing UAV's aloft. Various tactics on the smaller units need more Research testing. I suppose that team could crank out a variety of units at different wattages -- 50, 100, etc....and so we don't have to hit the Merlin X-1 targets right away to do Consumer Electronics commerce. But, it all needs a little more exploration and then some Development prototype clean-up. Then, the many, many things that go on in taking a product to market, and in each market.

But, none of it makes sense to put forward without first assembling a suitable army on it. Once we have the ability to rapidly secure global marketshare and international patents -- plus a lot of unseen politics and negotiations to do -- then, sure, it can make money. As is now? It can make some, but that would be stupid to compromise trade secrecy for peanuts and flop.

We're not putting anything to U.S. Patent office at this time. There are some strings that need pulling on that matter. I favor a global blitz. With stuff like this, you typically pay money to the government racket and submit your patent application. You're basically telling foreign intelligence how to build the units before you've even finalized your own product and started business. You'd have Made in China units available in Wal Mart before that stinkin' patent office even finalized our patent if we did that. So, going the stupid course.... the answer is nope. No money to make at it at all. Only loss.

Lots of other considerations. Tech is straight forward. It's the business and politics that's always a bear. Greenies are annoyed by The Abominable Snowman, but Snow Labs has the support of just about every Conservative and Republican that fully understands what we're doing. So, we have a lot easier time selling our vision on the Right than most of you Pickens Planners. There is a method to my madness in being so Conservative obnoxious, but it is not act. :-) Just so much easier to be as you are.

Sales and interest is not a problem. I have interest expressed from EV car companies in Europe and India. Various venture capitalist offers. All that we just put aside for now and keep on the contacts list. You have to assemble your soldiers and available war chest first before you can have an army. Before you move that army you have to have a flexible and sound plan. That plan governs the technical approach taken.

I favor a two pronged attack: Consumer Electronics (Cell phones, laptops, servers, and other gizmos) and Aerospace. Just those two. Not spreading thin. Standard pincer motion. Consumer electrons is where the billions dwell, not low-volume and restrictive, government/ military b.s. aerospace. You have to target the billions and take it all as much and as quickly as possible in order sprinkle money among the politicians, lock out competition, and things like that. Aerospace will not make much money compared to what it's worth. It'll make a little while compromising and restricting the technology. Upscaling to residential, automotive, and industrial uses....all that will encounter business barriers. Hatred from even the other types of greenie business in the Pickens army. The business stuff is not my cup of tea to accurately comment on, though. Problem with all these tech start-ups is that nerds get starry-eyed delusions of being CEO's, famous, and all that. I couldn't give a hoot, so the business then has a chance with nerd paws off it.

Best I can say is that the best course is always to fight along the path of least resistance: Consumer Electronics is that. It's also cheaper per unit to make them smaller and in high volumes capable of modular stacking. If you imagine a D cell flashlight battery that just runs...and runs....and runs....for months and years at full power.....that has commerce value. Nationally, globally. It applies to aerospace concurrently. Military electronics. EV cars.

Initial focus is on the Merlin X-1 as a demonstration of the tech and also because such systems the military needs, but just taking a battery / cell approach is the best angle for commerce. This kind of stuff people don't really believe even when you show it to them in gizmo form. If you display a gizmo just cranking out power continually, illogical as it sounds....there is always some idiot out there who claims you're pulling some magician trickery or secretly plugging it into a wall socket, etc. And nothing really demonstrates or excites an audience as much as aerospace goodies.

Our entire focus on the X-GEN program has been aerospace from day one, and that's what has given such high performance, small size, and light weight to the units. To make them even hoistable by that little TREX-600 helo and allowing for nav gear and weapons system on the mass budget....we do engineering on it that is not standard. Wild tricks up the sleeve. And so this little X-GEN unit I've got at softball size meant to crank out all that power is really a work of art to me. I've tried to make her robust for combat. Capable of operations from deep sea to the cold vacuum of space. Tough as an AK-47 or Colt 1911 is the way I wanted her. Something the soldier can count on in the worst of conditions, and she's not there yet. She's still in hokey pokey, ugly, prototype stages with the basics of a great thing going.

As far as money, you can make them cheaper but I won't work with anyone who wants to do that. When another engineer and my competitors look at how she's laid out and how it operates....I'm not happy unless only awe is their feeling and with ample mystery untold which they can't replicate. If you've ever studied the design of an AK-47, or the old Colt .45's, or the old Lugers....and how they remain beloved classics from the engineering that was put into them....that's how the first X-GEN-M was meant to be. I've got all these little hot rod tweaks packed into her that, for anyone studying it, is like looking at how a master race engine builder custom tweaks a motor. It's in the little things and details put in. Geometry. Engineering principles. Mathematics selection of elegant dimensions and harmonic numbers. I designed these units to enable killing in war and with an aero engineer and aircraft mechanic's expectation that lives and missions will hinge on their outstanding function. Meant to be as tough as a Glock.

Once you get into too much money concern and start skimping for profit, then -- even if you don't cut parts or the more costly detail work out of the units -- things get too greedy. I don't care about the money and I really don't care to deal with people who do. No offense. It's a fair question, but that's my straight answer on it. If it carries my family name on it as something we give to the troops to depend on in war, I'm not really a perfectionist but it has to be that before leaving our shop. There has to be no other known ways of improving it. Everything possible to pour into it at the time and nothing less. And so, I've got a lot of that done, but there's a lot more to do in going from basic function to extremely reliable hardware. Other engineers I need to consult with to help me figure out better ways of doing some things. They need vibration testing, thermal analysis, revision to include MILSPEC hardware, and to be beaten the hell out of until firing as reliably as a Glock pulled out of the mud and sand. Wet, dusty, air dropped, sand filled, muddy, overheated, frozen....all I can tell you is we're not doing commerce on it until the military and civil units are wildly tough. I didn't do this to crank out some Made in China piece of junk you can buy on sale in Wal Mart. Fifty years from now, when men look back on the units that carried them in war and emergency power needs, they have to smile fondly and say, "Now that was made by dudes who knew how to engineer! In it's day, that thing was so far ahead of its time and built right that we can't even make it like that today."

Anyhow? Now....nope. The basics of it all can be done in a few months to a year if a good team were assembled and working harder on it than I do. Shakedown and operational qualifications on the hardware would take more time. You could crank out crap for market sooner, but that's not our style. I'm also tired. Grumpy. Just trying to repair my broken body. If I had my full stamina and heart back, the basics of something like this I could crank out in less than maybe 6 months with 4 or 5 engineers working full time and overtime; About 4 months if that was a crew of 12 to 15 working 24/7. That would be to Development prototype finalize the soft-ball sized units at whatever the final output winds up being and prepare for qualification trials. About the same crew and timeframe to get the cigarette pack and gum pack sized units going. That's all sketchy, though. Always multiply by 4 for the unknown.

I have engineers in the Snow Labs network capable of doing the work as directed, but exact timeframes are stupid to promise. You break them down according to program milestones and only take money per milestone agreed upon and delivery exactly as stated. That's on the technical reality part. There's always the unknown. Various delays that come up. The good engineer wants perfection. The businessman wants product cranked out on the least cost. These two tugs ruin product quality, and so I shuffle aside the businessmen too focused on business. At the very least, electrical units people keep in their homes, with their families, and all that. If you screw up the quality, you can start a fire. For me, there's not really a statistical level of failure acceptability there. There should be none. If you've paid good money for it to run your house or electric car, it shouldn't burn down your home or car, and that saves money on law suits. This is not a solar panel we're talking about here. All that power you see cranked out of your little Honda and Coleman gensets or construction site diesel gensets...imagine that packed down to shoebox size and smaller with never any fuel need. Being small, they're gonna get bounced around, beaten up, put in odd places. People will start to take them for granted and treat them almost like portable radios, but you've got a lot of lethal power buried in that box. She'll kill you to stick your hand into it. If you bang them around at a construction site and use them in your home later, those units must be able to take that abuse and not start your house on fire from their cheap insides having broken down under vibration and shock stresses. The aerospace and military units demand that as just basic standard, so please keep in mind that a lot of the clean tech things out there on the market which people just crank out and sell....that's not good enough for the kind of product this is meant to be. That takes time and money to make real.

Business reality?

Now, that's a very different story. It first starts with making a great product. That's all I know best. Additionally, we need about a team of 12 T. Boone's in here just to ensure an excellent tag-team approach to slugging it out politically and globally. When he have the right team assembled there, the money issue is trivial. I set the buy-in price at $10M + $10M/ year for 5 years to shoe away all these VC offers and technology agents pestering us. They're usually looking to make investors money, money, money. We're not out to do the corporate song and dance or all this dot commie stuff for private equity and stockholders. I really don't care of the business and prefer to go back to lab matters once all is in good hands on the business end, and we don't do business with just anyone. It's like marriage. The people and their character and things valued have to be right and in full agreement or there's no point to it. Anything else would be just taking investor money and doing crappy work headed to ultimate failure.

So, in a nutshell, I am not the one to evaluate the business reality on it. Technically, it can be done exactly as stated eventually and near term. We're operating in untread engineering waters at the moment where no man has gone before, so I need to answer more research questions there before taking anyone's money on it. There are no established theoretical and engineering models for me to operate by in some areas, and so I've had to do that, too.

Pushing for 1400 Watts and to make that Merlin X-1 fly exactly as stated with all its heavy hardware and combatant gear....that is no small achievement. Just the sound of it to anyone with an engineering background sounds like a lie or delusion. Compare that to cheesy, fuel-burning 20 Watters the finest Defense science offices solicit for Robust Portable Power and award $1M in prize money over, and you'll know that our engineering objectives leave everything the other guys are working on completely in the dust. Hmmm...the supposedly finest military engineers in all the world....they struggle to achieve 20 Watt, fuel-burning units while I can do that in my sleep and burning no fuel whatsoever while 1400 Watts on the same size and weight is what I consider marginally challenging here. Hmmm....I dunno. Can we make money off it?

Just a couple months ago, I had a UAV defense contractor dancing with us some. They weren't suitable. Had these cocky little puke engineers -- young twenty-somethings as their chief engineers laughing at the technical specs sent to their boss. For a couple months, those arrogant idiots have been researching how to make their birds fly just a little longer. They want to fly several more hours on fixed wing photorecon missions while I'm out here shooting for year-round, multi-year, never need to land, hunter/ killer aerobatics and weapons systems onboard....on electric helos which eat much more wattage. They're playing around with basically electronically-enhanced toy airplanes I built as a kid while our dancing helos are much more capable, can gobble them up and throw them out the sky with a wicked laugh, and the next generation of aerospace vehicles we're working on.....well, those just float and fly silent. They're struggling to keep their birds in the air for a few hours -- as among the top dudes DoD calls upon for UAS -- while, if you ask me to put a rover on Mars, outlining every detail to carry out that mission is my gig.

We've got designs for miniature X-43 variants and hypersonic UAS of near-space, globally flying payload. If you want to talk about putting a package cheaply into low earth orbit, Snow Labs can actually do that on less than what the X-GEN programs will cost. My approach there doesn't use as many rockets, though. You just launch with high altitude balloon, drop straight down hypersonic through the thin upper atmosphere, take the nose level without burning up, and fire off the rockets. Gets you there far cheaper than the Pegasus rockets (Project SKIPJACK). I've got satellite designs and templates here. Things ready to be machined and can be ready to commercially launch to better enable USAF comsat constellation satellite replenishment need in times of war. And that's stuff gathering dust and forgotten. What's a challenge for me is truly trying to build those Starship Enterprise warp engines and reactors. I deal with the full range of flight and push to Light Speed is not something we see as impossible. If you've got enough cash, we can build new forms of lasers to knock down every aircraft and spacecraft any military ever launches. The ICBM's, too. They're only starting to zap everything from mortars to ICBM's by laser and the THEL is impressive, but there are variants we can do on that that can kill over longer range and with greater lethality. The Pickens Plan greenies here are worried about sustainability jive for beloved "Mother Earth" when we've got a giant space rock head this way from about 2029 to 2036. NASA and USAF are doodling around on that and wondering how they're going to do it while we've got stuff in this works here that might just save the day. And, I'm holding out on that one. Not even going to speak of it. Just gonna let that rock come closer and closer! As it gets a little closer, our lab price is $100M up-front cash on that just to think about saving the day and maybe teaching the world how to crumble it to cookie dust or alter its orbit wildly. :-) We've got weird science in the works that can transform steel and other objects to not just transparency but complete invisibility -- passage of light and radar right through it as if nothing were there As far as money goes, to transform Lead to Gold, all you really need to is strip off some electrons and precision knock out some protons and neutrons. Got a few ideas to explore on that. You want to make weapons grade Plutonium or a city-destroying nuke? Child's play! The hard stuff to me is making real "warp" engines, Enterprise power systems, her guns, and her deep space faster-than-light telecom; How to handle navigation in that new realm of flight; How to deal with massless mass; The transformation of solid objects to nothing more than hologram and re-solidifying them -- just like how the electron does quantum barrier tunneling. To me, that is the hard stuff. The interesting work.

...So, weigh that technical capacity to the little airplane farts making a few tens of millions per year for their company with their cheesy, wind-up prop jobs. That's the kind of mediocre crap I deal with all the time, and I'm sick of it. Snow Labs monsters are not thinkers "outside the box". We deal in science and technology that is 140 years ahead of these times as just a basic starting point. The kinda stuff we explore most people haven't imagined possible for maybe another couple hundred years, and so it is natural to sound crazy. The control of Time and Space is something of the fiction movies, but, for this lab, that's ongoing R&D. We make little wormholes right now and we can open them all the larger over time.

I don't mean to sound like some arrogant nerd, but can we make money off it? Oh, I dunno. Depends what you want to play with from my toy chest, but, usually, there isn't anything we chase that isn't disruptive, priceless to this nation's very survival, and commercially worth many billions where handled right.. We've just been chasing....and chasing...and chasing....and chasing for so long that what's left is all messy-haired, rambling kook. You ask me of business and money when I'm kinda scratching my head daily and wondering how the world is going to survive another couple decades. My great grandfather used to hike up a mountain in the mornings of his retirement -- often gazing at the world and wondering what he helped unleash into it with the A-bomb. He outlined gravity defiance in his last days. Today, control of gravity holds also the potential to boost the world's H-bombs from regionally destructive to continentally destructive and foreign nations are working on that. So...yeah...money....woo hoo.

We're getting there and working on it is the best I can say for now. Snow Labs is just a small little lab. Just me. Got my buddies on standby and willing, but I don't call upon my crew to sail with me unless they're well fed. And even that would take a variety of shop start-up affairs which are outside my health limits at the time. This stuff is meant to be handed over to a business and technical team capable of well finishing it. That's what we do. Snow Labs fashions technology from nothingness and infant science, and then we sell it, use that cash to keep working our agendas, and we crank out other stuff over time. I don't run a start-up. Don't run a company for anyone to buy.

Where we're at right now is the ability to display proof of concept and fully explain what we're chasing. In time, I'll have the 1400 Watter done and ready to integrate into the Merlin airframe with 100 grams of dead weight (psuedo explosive) and two 00 buck weights. Then, we see how she flies. That part is cheap enough and within the Snow Labs budget. When we hit that 1400 Watts, that's the ability to keep our Merlin aloft in an autopilot hold for hours on end while eating lunch or whatever and talking business. Normally, they go dead after 10 to 20 minutes of flight on batteries. The objective is to make Merlin stay aloft indefinitely. With all the weight we stack on for combat, it won't be as nimble as the dancing helo demonstrated in the video, but all that performance you see....that's plenty enough to carry our gear and do like you see in the truck chases.

From there, we put on the more costly FLIR cameras and GPS / autopilot navigation system. Combat demonstration and qualifications. The idea is to throw up a dozen of them, have 11 hold, and send in one at a time to attack like obnoxious, little cruise missiles. Like a swarm of locusts or The Birds from a Hitchcock movie. Or, the soldier can carry that in a suitcase and fly in the field for recon, security, or tank busting.

Technically that can be done, but does the military want it? Oh, I dunno. Look at how screwy they were with Dragon Scales body armor Shameful that is. Business-wise, I used to think this country actually gave a hoot about her own national security and keeping the troops alive. Used to think the Pentagon actually cared to defend this country and keep the soldier alive as much as possible. What a fool I was! :-(

So, business? Hah! I can't promise a thing on business. There's nothing but monkey business going on in Pentagon and Washington. Where not treason, gross incompetence and neglect of duty, for sure. Oh, we can make the birds and do as we say if only we had military people that cared to get such things into the field. Do they? I dunno anymore. They may worry of losing the high performance generators and tech to the enemy once unleashed in combat. Always some excuse.

Snow Labs would love to get our weapons systems to the troops, but, like you saw with Dragon Scales or the first crappy M-16's, getting the good stuff they need into the field...why that's a whole different story. It's all a racket and about money, so, to even have a chance, you have to take the business paths capable of making the most money. And that is in Consumer Electronics, not aerospace or any bother with any form of government and Pentagon dealings. They can have the surplus, but only a fool makes government his primary customer. That's the most seedy and backstabbing customer base you'll ever find, and they don't even have much money for good stuff. Oodles of money for pork barrel and non-essential crap or another war toy the troops don't really need, but never enough spent on the things they do.

If you want the truth, the soldiers don't need our flying gizmos all that much. It's a good thing, but I'd rather see them all in better body armor first -- especially if they're going to be out in Afghanistan any longer. If I were a Congressman having to pick between $10M to our Merlins or that money spent on Dragon Scales....I'd allocate to the vests immediately. We can demonstrate the Merlin X-1, but I really have no interest in doing any form of business with the military on it. I'm not going to sit here and take money from the tax payer for giving nerd pilot kids out there a cool R/C airplane to play with while their buddies closer to the action are still wearing old-tech body armor. If you want the truth, what I'd rather see is our Merlin X-1 making Aviation history, seeing some time in test combat, and fielded with the X-GEN technology enabling other electric UAS. Not a whole lot of our Merlins bought and more of those vests bought for the troops instead. That's not really a very wise business statement, but that's the truth of things and what's more proper.

So, Consumer Electronics and the UAV's for hoisting up telecom packages -- helo and fixed wing -- for faster Internet and near-space platforms...that's where some money is. Biggest money is in smaller unit replacements of battery packs. But, that all depends on prices set, market factors, volumes unleashed, various models and test marketing, business dealings, etc. I dunno these things! I'd be feeding you b.s. if I tried.

What I can tell you in complete honesty is that there is a whole bunch of technology out there way better and more advanced than any of this Pickens Plan stuff -- and some of that is ready to go right now. Yes, ready to go commercial. Ours is not ready yet, but the foundations upon which we work -- that of our competitors out there -- oh, it's ready to lower performance scale. Yeah, ready to change the world and go right into your EV cars. Ready in research prototype phases and just needing more Development and Pilot Prototype work.

That all could be cleaned up in less than a year at any time on any one of them, but I'm watching stuff like that sit idle in the world for decades. Science neglected over 140 years. Science -- like cold fusion -- just trashed from the start. Aborted in the womb without even much chance at life. What's new!

Why is like that?! Your army needs to be asking that question if you're going to get anywhere and win this fight. It's not about tech feasibility. There's a whole army of technology out there waiting to go sooner than our stuff, and I'd be happy to see any of that put forward. But, there's like this invisible hand that just squashes, derides, and ignores it all.

Business? Making money now?

Hah! I'm watching some of the world's finest physicians curing some of the hardest forms of cancer in other nations like child's play and like American medicine can't even approach -- and in the thousands; and their work is in open source literature here, not even suppressed -- and there's just a complete information blackout on it in the media, in the public mind, etc.

Meanwhile, I'm watching these politicians build a medical superstate, again, along that very same path of American medical incompetence that is not much different from our caveman Energy science incompetence. I'm about ready to defect to Europe, frankly, but this is my home. I don't like those people. Been thinking of going to England, but the Scotch in me can't stand those tea-time snobs who sit on my rightful throne! I got no country to run to and watching my own is like looking into the eyes of panting, drooling house dog. Didn't grow up wanting to do anything other than well serve this country, was never about money, and here I am as a mean nerd mercenary now who won't even give the time of day to Pentagon at less that $50k/ hour with prices that double in 2010 and each year after that. :-) Like the nerd Black Water is Snow Labs now. Woo hoo! I've got nothing but vulgarities to spew out on just about everything, so I tend to be killing the business just because I'm sick of business, politics, and commerce.

Anyhow, if you want the honest business opinion I have, it's that it would take a miracle to get lucrative business done on everything we do here. We can deliver on the high performance units in time and to lesser degree right now, but business and money....I dunno. If you bring me any person on earth dying of Stage 3 cancer, this very same lab can hook them up with top physicians and turn them around to Stage 1 and near cured; Often cured; And far better than anything you'll find in the finest medical research institutions in America; At the very least extending lifespan and quality of life like the finest cannot do. But can you make that into a medical business in America? No. It's not wanted.

All is b.s., comfort in mediocrity, and greed around us. That's the most disheartening thing to see. They're out there screaming of this Pig Flu and I've got medical scientists abroad squashing that like nothing. No vaccines. I gave this country a sound plan for defending her cities and bases from much more ruthless, engineered Super Flu....totally free....but does she care to keep you alive? Nope. It's all a lie. Oh, they could have started up business on what I gave, but, no, the drug and vax companies have their money sprinked in with the politicians, cabinet ilk, and that impacts Defense nerds who often have unethical professional ties to those very same companies. You want enemy spies? I can hunt them better than the finest James Bonds and own the minds of their handlers. You want terrorists dead? Same thing. Mercs we keep can hunt them down all the way to Bin Laden if only the complete idiots upstairs would unchain us all to, yes, interrogate and torture at times. But, now, because kind torture is illegal, basically -- when it comes time to seriously interrogate -- you can be sure this country and her contract mercs will just torture and then murder whereas before at least the more innocent ones were let loose.

So, we are monster capacity in search of real leadership and highly pissy. I couldn't give a hoot about business at this point. America is dying. We have troops out there going crazy and completely broken down among demoralization, anger, and hatred like you can't imagine. And it isn't from PTSDS. It's from being stabbed in the back by this country, her idiots upstairs, and our people. Madness everywhere you look! Economy going down the tubes with only more suppression of business and small business.

If you want my opinion on business and profitability, starting up any form of business or employing anyone in this country is totally insane. To make our technology work, the best place to really take it is China, Japan, India, Europe. Places that are more hungry and less spoiled; With less restrictions on business and eagerness to do business. Less taxes and government crap. None of this greenie jive, EPA statements, being sued for this and that. I've got offers in Latin America on this, and that's where it would be smarter to do business, frankly. Anywhere but here in America anymore and that really sucks to say, but that's how I see it if you want the honesty story on making money with it. There's no business you can do on anything in America all that profitable anymore. All the restrictions and labor costs cut into profit and make going offshore more profitable. If you don't do that, then the foreign competition floods the market with their cheap gear and their economies take all the profit. And, the more I look, the more I see that such seems to be exactly what the supposed economy fixers want. Heresy to say, but it seems they actually want the country in a much deeper Depression.

In any case, I don't care to do business in any place other than America but I have no idea how to do that anymore. Got no stinking idea on how to even keep her alive against so many mortal threats she'll face in the future with only idiots perpetually looking after her.

The business problem with Snow Labs and why The Abominable Snowman is so grumpy is basically that -- on every front -- we're aggressive. There isn't anything we touch that we don't master, and pretty much everything this lab has ever cranked out has always been in trying to better secure the country. I'm not a businessman and never cared to be. I'm just stuck as a grumpy nerd mercenary and freelance American weapon scientist now because there are none worthy of commanding me or those I can lead. Oh, some are worthy but none suitable. It's lonely at the top. What I would give to have at least peers once more! :-|

Sorry to vent like that, but I'm not about snookering people out of their money. I can't say if this stuff will ever be profitable or not. T. Boone should fully understand that. I'm more likely to be killed over it and backstabbed by my own country than ever seeing it profitable, but I've been through worse odds and am still here. It's got a chance. Best I can do is shape things so that, if our general strategy doesn't work, nothing will.

I've given it all the business and political angles I can at this stage. Empowered it with everything I know best to doctrines like Sun Tsu, Clausewitz, Liddel Hart, Linebarger, and all the best. Strategic plays they don't even teach at West Point anymore I've embedded into the program as far as the business angles to work, but, even then.....we live in a very evil world.

At the same time, I remain surprised how far this Mr. Pickens has come along with the army. Somebody like him....he'd know what business can and cannot be done on these matters. Personally, I think the only way to really make it work is to negotiate no corporate tax with the government if a start-up or existing company even bothers with it. To sprinkle money to the politicians to ensure that happens. The money savings on taxes would offset some of the costs of doing business in America. Commerce Department support in taking things global would do sufficient business to bring in many, many billions....and from there you have to feed a lot of that plunder to the politicians and their vile parties of rats; To even feed some money to that seedy IMF so that we're not competing with oil's payments to IMF.

To make good and lucrative business of it, you need to remember that you're dealing with mobsters and thugs at the top. They're a little more fancy pants and pretty boy, but gangsters them all and they need to be paid off in order to smoothen business. Everyone needs a little piece of the pie. Then, any kind of clean tech has a much better chance at fighting the energy cartels.

....But, that's just my own take on it. Mr. Pickens and some of his army have more direct experience actually slugging it out. I only have my American spooky eyes that have been watching a dying country for 20 years. I like the Pickens Plan, but I'm not sure we can get much off foreign oil so long as the value of our U.S. dollar seems to be tied into it. If you think about it, we're a nation in great debt. That means we've maxed out our credit cards. But who issues those cards to us? What if we just default? Will they cancel our credit line? What then will the country do? Oh, everything would grind to a halt, but maybe that would be best? I dunno. All I do know is that, when you're living on credit cards and credit lines, you gotta keep up at least the minimum payments. Arab oil pays off part of our debt, some say. I just don't see any form of greenie tech having much chance to secure a really strong business footing for the long-term -- strong enough to make a dent in that oil dependence -- unless that new technology is equally and more so paying on the national debt.

Well, so bulldozing a way for our commerce -- or any Pickens Plan commerce -- the best I can tell you will take a lot more than what my little lab can do. Without a strong team running tackle, there is no money to be made. The programs don't need much at all to be real, but to go from reality to lucrative, global commerce takes many tens of millions....and without assembly of a strong army and warchest, anything less is just enough to properly start up and fail. And, in failure, the foreign vultures will come in and swoop away any potential economic gains America could have had on it. If you can't kick it off right, better not to do it at all. If the fight is not already won by the time you launch an attack, it is best not to launch the attack. That's not terribly glamorous or heroic, but the greatest generals in history have never entered operations execution until all planning was properly assembled.

...That business planning is not properly assembled at this time. What is needed is beyond this lab and my capacities. Beyond just Mr. Pickens carrying it. It will take more than just money and one big player. It requires the skillful motions of a great general with ample warchest and troops in the field. Mr. Pickens has demonstrated ability to lead this fight so far, and so I am here awaiting leadership. :-) We fight better together than apart. That's all I know. As for money, funds, and engineers to put it all together....we can get that from anywhere. As for commerce and to what level, I really don't care. I live a simple life and don't have the health anymore to enjoy great wealth anyhow. The bulk of our lab fees are meant for more laboratory fun.
The various details and agendas pushed by the whole Pickens Army I'm kinda leery about, but the general Picken Plan objectives are fine by me in whatever form gets there. Whether more wind, solar, or whatever....I don't care. We have things to bring into the fight. Exactly where and how that should fit and to what degree of commerce and profits, how led, and how split....that's not for me to outline in detail. Wouldn't even know where to start. Best I could do was spark it all with a flexible general strategy and various considerations for making commerce on it work.

Anyhow, simple, honest answer to your question is: "No. Not now. Possibly not for decades more unless done with genius business and political execution of the planning. And I don't know what that planning should be because we have no specifics. I am just a Dr. Q-like, hideous, abominable, scandalous, vulgar nerd who can pin-prick space-time and build a new kind of quantum windmill to tap the wave energy that exists all around us in hyperspace. There are others out there who can do that, but this lab just does things a little differently with a variety of engineering tricks of the trade applied. Tech we can achieve, certainly. Money? I dunno.

I can tell you that not one from my technical realm to date has ever succeeded in commercializing or even more greatly exposing these sciences. And that's not because it doesn't work, but from just all the business and political barriers while the past people were mostly genius scientists of insufficient business and strategic planning capacities to even give it a chance. The two do not mix well. Best I can do for business is to stay out of the business."

Permalink Reply by Arga Blarg on October 18, 2009 at 2:14am

It might help to have a more documentary / scientific tone in your video

Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 18, 2009 at 7:58am

Bah! You presume I care anymore. Documentation is only the giving away of trade secret details to the competition. Scientific tone is to engage in sophisticated sounding dweeb babble that talks over most heads, but really means nothing. My focus at this point is just hitting our 1400 Watt target and, at that, the program goes to the highest bidder. What they make of Snow Labs now or in the future I could care less. I speak my mind as I see fit and I will not do the corporate song and dance with all these stinkin' greenies or for anyone else. That separates the unsuitable ones from those we can get along with and have fun working together on things.

Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 18, 2009 at 6:21pm

Oh, I am already seeing the typical hostile naysayer commentary on other discussions started. Was mostly just posting here to wake people up to new ideas out there, but I'm not going to have time to address each nasty comment or question that comes in. I'll let them flow awhile. Some I may touch on. Others not. It really serves no strategic purpose to even be dealing with or talking to the public on anything at this point. They have little to offer anyhow since we're not selling stock and not looking to align with greenie politics.

Just one note to think about: In regard to questions on the science we're not going to talk about at this point and naysayer comments on anything.....most these clean tech guys you see are all sell, sell, sell. All corporate b.s. and typical green-washing. Lots of pie in the sky promises, change the world jive, and all that. Total suck ups to the greenies. You'll find none of that with Snow Labs. Everything we post to the web....all bad for business, controversial, scandalous, vulgar, and totally insane for doing any kind of business on our work. If you study it all, you'll find that I've pretty much killed more business opportunity for it than any form of sell factor. We turn away business offers all the time or put them on hold. I'm rude, mean, nasty, hostile, and say whatever the hell I feel like at the time. All totally un-corporate. Bad sell. Of course, stirring trouble and being shocking is effective, too. Our stuff and what we do will take stones thrown no matter how polite and professional one comes off, so I don't even bother with it. Much more fun to be the inverse! And as stated, I could care less on the business or even what comes of it. We're going to do it anyhow and just be as we are.

.....So, that pretty much snips out all business and sell, sell, sell b.s. For someone to do that, he's either some Internet kook with technical delusions......or some Internet kook with technical reality. Only two possibilities there. Only one will be known in time. All else is talk and waste of time. I leave this thread for others to comment on and for Pickens army to think about, but I won't be back in here much to bump it up or respond to inquiries. The audience here can take it or leave it. We'll just keep going our course all the same.

If Mr. Pickens wants to know more and see a whole world of wild technology out there brewing, happy to show him in private but dealing with cyberspace yappers is a waste of time. (And that grumbling is not meant for you, Mr. Lenzo. I get it all the time running a YouTube channel that has the typical "hater" comments and all that. Stupid comments not even worth a response, mostly.)

Intelligent questions I'm happy to answer for the Pickens army as is appropriate at the time, though too much technical release is not in our interest at any time. Even a more complete understanding of things to how our gizmos work beyond anything noted on this thread and in the videos....again, not in the Snow Labs proprietary interests to disclose. General strategy, considerations, grumblings, business barriers and all that I have listed here so most can at least digest that part. But, beyond this, talk is cheap. Better to just keep building and doing, and displaying things when done. Just giving the army a little advanced peek at what's going on and things they can think about.

Doesn't have to be our Snow Labs technology. On the older cave man stuff, if you want to make a true difference on Energy Independence, the point to all my grumblings here is that you've got a whole world of water-burning technology out there (as noted with the Kanzius discovery and true Cold Fusion/ partial Cold Fusion research brewing) that can nicely augment the Pickens Plan natural gas objective. But, I suppose a true interest in that is a measure of the intellectual quality, honesty, and lack of corruption to the Pickens Plan and army itself. Are you about Energy Independence, army? Mr. Pickens? Or is this whole thing all about various agendas more so that science, clean tech innovation, and true Energy Independence? We'll see, I suppose! I know a lot of you were expecting to be stroked and given kudos and sell, sell, sell professional politeness and this or that, but to hell with that! Are you an army or are you mice?! Are you greenie patriots with a brain or the usual nazi, commie, greenie idiots?! :-)

Truth and real science is out there for those who look. The true test of the Pickens Plan is whether or not, when presented with radical new ideas that shake its foundation....is it flexible and general strategy enough to assimilate all clean tech innovation out there...or is it just another lie as the critics claim? Will it willfully ignore, hide from, and conspire against the latest things going on out there in the Energy sciences like all the rest of these nazis of the world who do deserve to just die, rot, and burn in hell? Or are you truly working for real Energy Independence? You know what they say. You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make him drink. Led you to plenty of water-based fun! Drink or don't. Doesn't phase me either way. We've got other courses to go and strategic alignments to keep making. Pickens Plan can hop on the train and keep up with real science and emerging clean, quasi-nuclear technology or it can keep living in a caveman's world of solar, wind, natural gas, and all that. Those are fine things, but radical performance and energy supply always dwells in the radical sciences. Disruption and making new laws of science is real science, not idiot babble off the web on what is and isn't science. Gave you all a good trail of cookie crumbs, and that's about where I'm going to leave it for now as far as any further discussion postings unless there are any more specific questions.

The Cold Fusion links are interesting technology, but, in my opinion, not really practical for portable use. Forget any Snow Labs stuff or doubts. That's not important to the mission. The John Kanzius microwave excitation of salt water into flame....now that's something the Pickens Plan ought to be supporting into full scale development if this army is something other than one big sham. Don't let that one get suppressed to. That one alone has the power to solve all the energy "crisis".

Ah, but is it really a crisis or stimulated one? Most of you reading this are bought hard-core into all the "Global Warming" jive, and that's fine. I don't care. But, one myth I am sick of is all this "fossil fuel" and "dwindling oil resources" lie. Truth is that oil is in no short supply. We only need drill deeper. Open up Alaska. But, most of all, the notion that oil derives from dinosaur and plant goo is kinda silly. By some U.S.G.S. and Russian geologic calculations (old articles I'd have to dig up), we have burnt through any possible fossil fuel. As we find in planetary astronomy and natural gas outcroppings, oil seems to be nothing more than a fluidic mix of geochemistry, not fossil in origins, just intertwined with fossils and called dinosaur goo for some idiotic reason I don't know. It''s a dirty fuel all the same. The more we can get off foreign oil, use our own oil and natural gas, apply Pickens Plan strategies....that's fine. But, radical institutions and causes quickly become establishments that seek to persecute other radicals. If you would truly serve this country as an army and if Mr. Pickens wants to leave a real legacy for the Earth and American future.....don't become nazis like that.

Break away from the lies and myths. Be greenies from common sense and American need and business reality, not all this Earth-worship crap. You want reality on solar tech? I'm a small farmer. California politicians talk about all these "solar incentives". They pat themselves on the back for encouraging solar, and fools buy into it. I love solar panels. They're among my first play toys in rocket science, but there is really no economic incentive for someone like me to convert my ranch to solar. There's no business sense in it at this point. Power bills here about $100/mos. Makes no sense for me to spend cash or take loans -- even state incentives on cheesy 7 year terms with monthly payments too high -- so that I'd be paying about $150 to $200/mos in financing that hardware short-term. Now, if those loan terms were extended by the state to 30 year and 40 year terms of low interest....fine. Great thing, but I'm not buying your solar jive on those business numbers. I know the wind out here and it doesn't blow enough to buy a stinkin' windmill or make one. I don't run my life or spend money for some greenie ethic like these miserable Prius people you see tooting down the highway in a crap car. But, if you show me solar panels and financing -- no math and salesman b.s. -- that shows me I can save at least $50/mos in total from doing the appliance conversions and financing the gear....then, sure, then I would convert to solar gladly.
But that solar has to run regular light bulbs with no energy savings focus. I'm not going to live my life like some unshowered, Hippy, commie. The whole reason X-GEN took root is because I'm sick of all this "energy conservation" crap. I want wattage, wattage, wattage and dirt cheap....and on no fuel at all. And I want it off-grid. And I wanted it cheaper for my farm than any of this solar or wind stuff, and that we've done.

So, now, with something like our technology in the ball game, where the existing techno firms are going to be hostile and threatened, others might see that as opportunity. You in solar are going to need to compete with our tech eventually if you want to stay in business. Competition is good for the consumer. It lowers prices. Makes things more available. First thing you need to do as solar guys to offset our threat is to lobby your states and Congress to extend those loan terms to 30 and 40 years at say 3% federal subsidy + tax credits + rebates...if you want to keep the solar business going on residential conversions. As a farmer, taking a 30 year ag loan to do a solar conversion is much more enticing than anything the state offers, but that is not available to conventional residences. You need to fix that, Army!

And you need to work on psychological conversion of the Conservatives which will never happen with your greenie jive. The smartest, most sensible thing I've seen your cause do in recent years has been to downgrade "Global Warming" drivel to "Climate Change" while renaming greenie jive as "Energy Independence" push. Like that and surrounding the war, now you've got Conservatives like me on your side. If you keep doing like Ford Motor Company and giving the people something other than a crappy Prius....now you're getting somewhere. If you upgrade electric motor technology a few levels from the crap it is today and put in X-GEN's...then you can have future Mustangs of wild horsepower and all the perks with no fuel burn at all....or burning Kanzius water.

Death to the commie car!!! Death to import bubble cars!! I'm so sick of looking at your communist cars on the road. It's time we move back to wide grills and sexy body lines again. Horsepower!!! Horsepower!!! Horsepower!!! Ample wattage, wattage, wattage!!!! None of these EV wussy cars. Snow Labs has motor technologies and things we can teach on how to do that. You can gut batteries and remove the generator in hybrids and make them total EV's with X-GEN systems. High performance, no fuel. You can do it with our tech. You can do it with others. You can burn water if you like. That's what is brewing in the future and, when you come to understand the reality of that coupled with truly wanting to get there....then we're not so obnoxious and mean to you greenie commies. But are you true greenies or just nazi commie capitalist piggies of "The Man" with an establishment agenda?! :-)

To hell with The Man and his nazi pigs!!!!!!! Keep fighting!!!!!! Don't rest!!!!

Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 18, 2009 at 8:58pm

Wow! My first brief time on the Pickens Plan and already the nazi commie greenies are stalking me in hatred. I love it!! :-)

http://push.pickensplan.com/group/SEAE/forum/topics/clean-green-eme...

Other thread where William stalks me in pseudo-science rage:
http://push.pickensplan.com/group/wantedpatentsprototypesnewproduct...


.....Now that link is a perfect example of the kind of ignorant, prejudice, pseudo-scientific, arrogant crap technology like ours encounters. Sorry to use you as a teaching example, William, but did you really have to go around posting your crap in deriding my threads just to be malicious like that? Well, William, I leave you the last word in that thread in the interests of peace. For the others here, they may find the content interesting along with some of the links and argument. Let the intelligent reader judge for himself if taking the time. As for the rest who cannot learn, to hell with them all.

Made one enemy. Made one friend. All in all, it's been good and I thank you, William, for serving as an all too easy punching bag. I'm leaving you the last word for your sake, William. I don't really care to keep spanking you. It's okay to be mistaken once and then humbled by a monster like me. Only demonstrates great stupidity to keep up the fight. Surrender now while I'm going easy on you. :-) Come on, Naysayer Nelly!!!! Don't be such a stick in the mud. The world is a a wonderfully fascinating place with some of the most interesting of true science....if only we take the time to look and learn; To listen rather than yap and knee-jerk reject. Typical knee-jerk Liberal, greenie nazi commie, eh? :-) That's okay. Snowman will dry your tears. :-)

Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 18, 2009 at 9:02pm

Surrender now, William, and I'll go easy on you. :-) Always good to leave the enemy an out; To offer peace before your fights; To allow him to retreat with his dignity rather than encourage desperate struggle to retain the vanity. No shame in surrender to he who is your daddy at all times! :-)

Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 19, 2009 at 12:28am

[CLIP FROM A MORE PEACEFUL REPLY TO WILLIAM IN THE OTHER THREAD]


As I said, in the interests of peace, I give you the last word. At least on meanie slugging it out.

Okay, I'll be nice now since you're being nicer. :-)

...I'm not sure which one you're talking about there in regard to Mythbusters. I think you're getting at the T.T. Brown Lifter Explanation by Only One Egg Productions where he was commenting on the lameness of the Mythbusters experiment?

I'm not the angry one here, William. My last post was mistakenly all caps just to distinguish it from your text. Sorry if that part came off like yelling. I should have bolded it inside your text. I type fast.

I know. I know. You're into natural gas, and car engines, and the one-seater thing. All pretty cool stuff. I'm not against that.

I can't even begin to address all the things you're angry about there because you're vague on it. If you list them, I might be able to more kindly address each one if you'd like. It just depends what you're grumbling about.

...If you're grumbling on Cold Fusion, I've supplied some links there and ample things you can read. It's for real. Our X-GEN is not based in that, however, because it still requires a fuel.

...If you're grumbling on "anti-gravity", oh it's for real but it's a complex physics discussion; Not something you just pooh pooh. And, no, those EK lifters are not properly called "anti-gravitic". People just do. It's also not from just Ion Wind. As I said, asymmetric capacitance yields COUNTER-gravitic lift. E X B X G. I know you're familiar with the Right Hand Rule of electricity and coils from your mechanical background. E X B.....you surely know that one At 90 degrees planar, there's just the neglected G plane. That's not normally a civilian understanding, so that you don't know about it and that I'm talking about it may seem as shocking news.

If you actually want to read and learn about it -- real systems -- I'd be happy to send you some links. For starters, I'll give you a little bio on my great grandfather's work which outlined the magnetic and gravitic relation back in 1927 long before T.T. Brown lifters were flying.

...As far as energy shunt from the Quantum Vacuum, it's basically nuclear physics detail that is proprietary to this lab. There's a lot of info on it out there in the world if you look, but we do things a little differently

...For starters, a thing called Particle / Wave Duality is a lingering "mystery" of modern physics. There is also the issue of the Classic Four Undefinables of Modern Physics -- Light, Time, Matter, and Energy. These, however, are not undefinable. They are only mysterious to modern science because James Clerk Maxwell's original equations in octonian form were revised by Heaviside and Hertz to the dinky 4 to 5 we have today as the backbone of all modern electrodynamics. EVERYTHING of electrical and magnetic wonder you see all around you as "high technology"....it's all caveman crap from that bad fork in the road taken nearly 140 years ago. That's the truth.

...Now, why has that concept been suppressed information? Because once you start going down that road, you don't bother with all this "particle physics" jive. Things start to make more sense. The atom and all particles of the quantum world.....all just condensed wave bundles and their null points. Wave functions and nothing more. No solid. No matter at all. All just energy among the strings played.

...Now, there is the 3 dimensional world we live in and the 4th that is Time. Time you can see as spherical when you watch something like a 3D cube, or any object, or sphere rotate. As you go up in the hypergeometry, all that becomes just a line and dots in favor of new planes.

....Now, you're clearly familiar with Aviation, so you understand the gyroscope. Octonian mathematics is nothing more than gyroscopic algebra that we use in aerospace engineering a lot. What else is a gyro? Atoms. Electrons. Subatomic particles. Whoops...there are no particles....just empty space, neutral point matter. It's not that difficult to see. Bear with me. Imagine everything you've learned of the atom in school -- the hard marble model, and just inverse it. Take the solidity and marble part, and make that the shell. The interior...all just wave cavity. The shells that feel like solid matter....all just from wave pressure. Think of atoms, sub-atomic marbles, and the electron as just bubbles in soap!

...The heretical part that the world has deleted since Maxwell pertains to the understanding of that Ether space....the soap solution and fluid. It is not a solution or fluid you can feel. It is wave energy of hyperspace all around us. What I'm talking about in regard to energy shunt from the Quantum Vacuum is along the same lines as the old AM Crystal radios. No battery power there. The quartz crystals just have a Casimir Effect micron and nanostructure which tends to capture that wave energy. There are, at this time, some 26 known hyper-dimensions all around us. Each is a plane of wave motion separate from our 4D world. Each has energy of the Universe and Big Bang still radiating along those lines like frequencies of the AM band you just haven't dialed into yet. As you take that receiver and tune properly, then you have a little, AM crystal radio --- running on no power at all -- and yet able to drive speakers. That's nothingness creating work energy which is SEEMINGLY a violation of Conservation of Energy law.

...Now, the violation of COE law is a separate matter and certainly possible; for all laws in science were made to be broken. But, at this level, no, there is still no violation of entropy. What you have going on in the AM Crystal Radio is nothing more than mini-wormholes. Little, quantum windmills. There's no creation of energy in that system. Just like a wind-mill, you're just taking that wind (in this case wave energy) and using it for power. Real simple. Study up on the Casimir Effect. It's been around a long time and is the subject of much Silicon Valley R&D because, at the nanoscopic scale, the Casimir Force is very powerful. [Notice I'm not using any magical thinking and voodoo terms here that you cannot research in the public literature.]

...I'm not talking about New Agey crystal power or all that, but you know what? If you want to have some fun, take some quartz and blow torch it while measuring the voltage difference between ends. That's what we use in part for nuclear weapons triggers. Heated quartz = high voltage. Or, you can take some white sand and throw it in your microwave oven. You'll find nice red and yellow flash...real pretty....occupying the space in the oven. But, run that oven steady and long enough...and you'll find it goes white hot! Extra energy in the system. From where? Well, it has to do with those excited molecules slamming around with energy to impact, partially entering into fusion, and mostly creating a much more dense and excited packing among those already excited nanocrystalline structures. And so, the voltage goes up! Low temperature quartz = low volts and low amps (low watts). High temperature quartz = higher volts and higher amps (higher wattage). And I tell you that freely because quartz is not part of our X-GEN system. These, again, just peripheral science and technical matters. All stuff you can try at home.

Here are some reading links on Casimir Effect:

Casimir effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/9747

...Now, conventional mindset is that nuclear science must always involve fission of atoms or fusion and under tremendous, caveman wife-beating. Axe her and cut her in half like some psycho murderer. Take her and slam her into other particles. Just highly abusive, sadistic physicist behavior. Might as well put on your wife-beater T shirt and grab a beer like that! Terribly lacking in elegance. Not a way of gentleman physics at all. :-)

...In more recent times, modern physics has been finding that you only need tickle atoms and they'll dance for you. Atoms also have magnetic moments to the nucleus (just as does the electron), and actually that magical-mystical-voodoo guy, Leedskalnin, his ancient notions on all matter composed of just little magnets with North & South polarities (and empty space, neutral point matter).....how prophetic he was! Now, if you want to make objects levitate -- even massive stones -- it's not about making "gravity", but understanding that there is no mass to anything, if we so tickle the atoms properly. And you tickle them in other ways, they'll do things like that high voltage quartz nuclear triggering for you, too.

Some reading reference:

“The re­ac­tion un­der study is the sim­plest chem­i­cal re­ac­tion pos­si­ble and yet it still con­tin­ues to sur­prise us, even af­ter 80 years” of anal­y­sis, said chem­ist Stu­art Greaves at the Uni­ver­s­ity of Bris­tol, U.K., a co-author of the re­port. “Our work pro­vides an­oth­er vi­tal piece of the jig­saw for un­der­stand­ing the me­chan­ics of chem­i­cal re­ac­tions, such as those go­ing on in the at­mos­phere.”

The find­ings have “changed a very sim­ple idea that we cher­ished”—that to make a mol­e­cule vi­brate strongly, “you bas­ic­ally had to crush it, squeeze it, hit it over the head. Com­press some bond and the mol­e­cule would snap back,” said Rich­ard Zare, a chem­ist at Stan­ford Uni­ver­s­ity in Cal­i­for­nia who led the re­search. “We found quite the op­posite.”


http://www.world-science.net/othernews/080702_deuterium.htm
http://www.dur.ac.uk/eckart.wrede/QCT/inelastic/traj.php?pro duct=4

The T.T. Brown lifter you grumble about bears all three conditions of Electric, Magnetic, Gravitic. Understanding and properly testing the effect is outside the realm of those Mythbusters dudes. They're very sharp guys, don't get me wrong, but they just didn't understand what they were dealing with. They're special effects guys, not studied much in physics or these issues. That gets under my skin!!! They went and did a lot of damage to the good names of people who have been working these areas for a long time, but that's fine because EK propulsion is old school stuff. Caveman it is, William. Too much wattage required per pound of lift achieved. We can do much, much better in modern times.

True anti-gravity you cannot stick a Mythbusters g-meter under an EK lifter and say, "Ah hah! The lifter does not make anti-gravity!" It doesn't work like that. Let me make an analogy. The hot air balloon. This is a counter-gravitic flying contraption, not anti-gravitic; Not a gravitational wave generator (that's a whole separate issue that comes into play with anti-matter impact with matter in our world, but, again, there is no matter....all waves). Now, if you stick a g-meter under that balloon as it floats into the air or rises rapidly with sufficient buoyant force against air....you're going to have no reading of anti-gravity (just like the Mythbusters guys and their silly test), but clearly the balloon is defying gravity! It's effective mass is certainly lighter than air (definition of Weight as separate from the pull of gravity's force upon mass).

...Now, that's in regard to the EK lifters. When you juice those things, all you have is an asymmetric capacitor there. Asymmetric capacitance = asymmetric charge density within space = asymmetric force of gravity upon that mass.....and so the "hot air balloon" rises. Woo hoo! No big deal. No great anti-gravity mystery. No serious amount of gravitational wave generation, but that does occur at 90 degrees planar to all E X B wave action from those lifters.

....Now, when you flow down along the Ion Wind Model (which is valid view of things, too), you have to turn the lifters upside down to see it, but there is a twirly vortex action in that flow. Where you have electron flow, you have the B (Magnetic) field looping and coiling around that. Where you have magnetic flux, you have electron flow looping and coiling around that. And nobody pays much attention to what's going on with the gravitic wave components in that same Poynting Vector model. Everyone's familiar with E X B to the quanta's model. They don't even imagine the E X B X G structure. And actually you can extend it from there into infinite hypergeometric planes to include Time, Space, and the other fundamental forces we are still mapping out. As Boyd Bushman noted in the videos, we formally know of 5 (Electric, Magnetic, Gravitic, Weak, Strong). There actually appear to be at least 8 more still being mapped. Casimir Force possibly fits in that model. Nuclear physics is still learning these things, but not among the egghead professors in the colleges. This is the stuff of Nobel Prize physics dudes over the last couple decades; Understandings evolving and increasingly so since the 1990's.

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Anyhow, I would say, "Who's your daddy?!!" at this point once more :-)....but that would be rude and not in the interests of Pickens Plan membership peace nor in keeping with my promise to give you the last [NASTY] words. :-)

I will tell you who my mathematical physics daddy was and further backing of what I said in regard to the electro-magneto-gravitic relation being known a very long time now. So, not just from family pioneering the theory and math on it but from having scientist friends who are great gurus of wild levitation and crazy science....hasty commentary also gets under my skin. Sorry to be so rude, but hasty critics are the worst and I don't bother with being polite when they personally attack on things they don't know about. You're familiar with the suppression of Alternative Energy tech, and I'm telling you that what myself and others deal with takes the worst brunt of it; for we know that you can just suck down wattage from the energetic, hypergeometric, wave atmosphere all around us....just like the AM crystal radios did. And, in fact, if you ever research it, you'll know that Nikola Tesla was the EV car king. As an old man, he had a little, electric car driven entirely by dialing in his radio knobs.

Kinder regards,

Stan

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...Yeah we kinda know nuclear physics here at Snow Labs.

Dr. Chester Snow


Biographical Notes:

Dr. Snow is listed in 1952-3 ed., vol. 27, of Who’s Who in America and other books. Listed in American Men of Science during 1950’s. 14 Feb 1949 was one of 16 scientists out of hundreds of nominees given the Department of Commerce Medal of Award for Exceptional Service. 1902-03 student at Utah Agricultural College. Graduated magnum c** laude from Harvard University in 1906. Obtained PhD. from Univ. of Wisconsin in 1914. From 1906-1911 was professor of Physics and the head of the department at Brigham Young University. Fellow in Physics, University of Wisconsin, 1912-1914. Professor of Mathematics and head of the department at Univ. of Idaho from July 1914 to Mar 1920. Spent 35 years as a mathematical physicist at the Bureau of Standards in Washington, D.C. (Mar 1920 to 1950’s.) Returned to Ogden, Utah and continued to work for the Department of the Army in retirement.

During W.W.II great grandpa Snow was assigned to the Los Alamos Project/ Manhattan Project (1944-45). Was a member of the American Physical Society, American Mathematical Society, Sigma-Xi, and Gamma Alpha (Univ. of Wisconsin, 1913). Snow also did mathematical physics work for the U.S. Navy, Mine Laboratory, Washington Navy Yard, National Defense Research Committee, Department of the Army, Diamond Ordinance Fuze Laboratories. Most of his work at these agencies, with the exception of DOFL, was extremely classified. DOFL work was Restricted in nature. From 1943-1945, Snow did confidential work for the Manhattan Project which has never been released to the public. He received an Army Commendation for his work, though. Dr. Snow also received official commendation for his work from the U.S. Navy, Mine Laboratory, and Washington Navy Yard for his confidential work in the degaussing of ships. One report was co-authored with his son, Dr. Robert M. Snow (of NASA and MIT Research). As late as 1963, Snow was writing to Dr. Kurkjian about technical matters and carried a 57 year career in science. Sometime after this point, his eyesight started to fail and he had heart problems -- passing away in 1970.

Publications:

Mainly scientific papers of the National Bureau of Standards. Most writings were in the field of Electricity & Magnetism. Largest open-source published worked was The Hypergeometric and Legendre Functions With Applications to Integral Equations of Potential Theory.

The chief of National Applied Mathematics Laboratories, Dr. J.H. Curtiss, once wrote that Dr. Snow loved to return again and again to the beautiful theory of the Hypergeometric Function. “To derive new formulas pertinent to the hypergeometric function was, quiet literally, his hobby as well as his profession. It is a pleasure to see this important work now added to the Applied Mathematics Series of the National Bureau of Standards. It will stand as a fitting memorial to the author’s distinguished career at the Bureau.” Some other Snow pubs:

Formulas for Computing Capacitance and Inductance (NBS 544),
The Magneto-Optical Parameters of Iron and Nickel (Physical Review, 1913),
Mutual Inductance and Torque Between Two Concentric Solenoids (Research Paper No. 24, 1928),
Mutual Inductance of Any Two Circles (No. 18),
Effect of Clearance and Displacement of Attracted Disk, and also of a Certain Arrangement of Conducting Hoops, upon the Constant of an Electrometer (No. 17),
The Mutual Inductance of Two Parallel Circles (No. 94),
The Effect of Small Variations in Pitch upon the Inductance of a Solenoid (No. 304),
The Attraction Between Coils in the Rayleigh Current Balance (RP615),
Elastic Problem of a Wire-Wound Cylinder (RP 344),
A Simplified Precision Formula for the Inductance of a Helix with Corrections for the Lead-In Wires (RP 479), Spectroradiometric Analysis of Radio Signals (RP 477, 1923),
Formula for the Inductance of a Helix Made with Wire of Any Section (RP 537),
A Standard of Small Capacitance (RP 1970, 1949),
Electric Field of a Charged Wire and a Slotted Cylindrical Conductor (RP 542),
Potential Problems and Capacitance for a Conductor Bounded by Two Intersecting Spheres (RP2032), Magnetic Fields of Cylindrical Coils and Annular Coils (#38),
Alternating Current Distribution in Cylindrical Conductors (S477),
Effect of Eddy Currents in a Core Consisting of Circular Wires (S544),
Indeterminateness of Electrical Charge (S566),
Drop of Potential in the Metallic Electrodes of Certain Electrolytic Cells (RP905),
An Addition to the Derivation of the Force Formula to Include Some Terms of the Sixth Degree in the Coil Dimensions (RP1200),
Correction to the Force Caused by an Axial Displacement of Some of the Turns in the Coils Made From Aluminum Ribbon (RP1200),
Torque Between Concentric Single-Layer Coils (RP1208),
Theory of a Single-Layer Bifilar, Absolute Standard of Mutual Inductance (RP1302), Mutual Inductance of Two Helices whose Axes are Parallel (RP1346),
A Magneto-Electron Theory of Gravitation (** Somewhat similar to Dr. Einstein’s theories on Special & General Relativity. Published in the Journal of the Washington Academy of Sciences. Nov 4, 1927) + other papers.

Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 19, 2009 at 2:29pm

[Clipped from the other thread where William and I were slugging it out and have made peace.]

Hi William,

See, I knew it would all click for you eventually if I just messed up your hair enough cuz you're a smart guy. :-)

You know, I'm really not all that anti-greenie. I just have my conservative fun calling them commies. True greenies and true liberals I actually get along with very well because the true conservative is actually a liberal, as Limbaugh correctly noted. At the level of politicians and power, there are few true greenies, true Left, or true Right....and who says we square pegs have to fit in the round holes they make for us?

As far as voodoo goes, I'm actually just a kinda Protestant-Catholic....or rather bad Catholic. Schooled liberal Catholic, raised conservative Catholic, raised by conservative Masons and anti-Catholics, too. Some of the finest physicians I've ever met....all former hippies, usually greenies (no, not commies), true liberals, and all just sick of "The Man" and his nazi agendas.

None of what I passed you is hokus pokus or lacking in truth, and the more you study, the more you'll love it. I know you're kinda stuck on CNG and mechanical, and that's all good background. I have a friend out here who is a lot like you --- actually a militant Republican -- but he's been a car builder for decades. Hot rods. Gasoline motors, etc. Somewhere along the way he became an Energy Independence and Electric Automobile Association guy long before there was a Pickens Plan. Today, he builds electric cars as his hobby. Pure electric and plug-in. But, when going on long trips, he cranks up the little generator secretly stored in the back. He guts old cars and converts to electric, or he builds them up from kits. It's a whole club and great thing. I've seen people there transforming that "greenie commie" Prius to around 100 m.p.g. as hobbyists, so it's guys like you that do a much better job at it than the automobile industry's nerds beholden to profits and what the boss orders. The tech I talk about may seem threatening to your CNG interests with your one-seater, but, see now you have alternative business directions, new models you can open up in the future, older models you can keep.

My focus is to not make energy conservation such an issue. We're all so used to conserving it as the greenie dogma that it's a little shocking to say, "No, you can have all the wattage you want off the burning of water or improved clean, non-radioactive, non-dangerous nuclear technologies." (Nuclear issues are at the core of it, but it's really more quasi-nuclear like the AM crystal radio. I just invoke the term a lot because it overlaps as truth and because it's more understandable to people that you can get a lot of unlimited wattage from that.). So, where I shoot up the Prius for fun....I do actually like the car but just not as she is. I told some Toyota people awhile back that all they needed to do to sell more was cut the stinkin' roof off and upgrade the generator technology. Like that, the vehicle would no longer be this boring greenie ethic car (detestable to Conservatives), but a cute little thing closer to Mini-Cooper's heart. Remember the old VW Cabriolet? In my day growing up as a kid building hot rods, 9 out of 10 times you spotted one on the road, you could be sure a cute chick was driving one! If you just cut the roof off most these hybrids, they'd sell probably double and no longer be so hokey pokey. But, you can't do that so much where trying to make high fuel economy. Tesla Motor Company was the first to get it all right.

Anyhow, regardless of the disposition to Snow Labs tech, peripheral and sister technology is already out there and growing. Things Fred Mars has been talking about....all real. And even if that realm had full support, no barriers, and easy market entry....it'll still be a good decade before it even starts to seriously threaten CNG technologies and all existing things. Meanwhile, the energy hunger of the world is growing. What I see is that where a one-seater like your vehicle may be a hard sell at times for the majority of Americans, there are kids and others that enjoy the thrill of driving something like that low to the ground, zippy, and easy to park in the cities like a motorcycle. So you have a good, niche market there. Plus, you also have the export markets to China, India, and places where the cities are jam packed with people on bicycles. Right now, you're into natural gas. In time, the Kanzius water burning technology may become available to you --- or it's something you and others are certainly capable of exploring and developing on your own. Then, there's my stuff. There's peripheral tech out there. Many are the ways.

I'm not really keen on using water as a fuel since it cripples our aerospace applications. As for horsepower in motors, there are electric tweaks and redesigns to do that can put any electric motor of greater horsepower per pound of weight on par with the most hot rodded gas and diesel burners. But, for the most part, that won't be seen for a long time. That'll be expensive to the consumer. Largely first in aerospace applications long before cars. The tech we work on here at Snow Labs may wind up restricted mostly to defense aerospace and maritime for awhile longer depending on negotiations. I may just leave it generally mysterious and heard about as the secretive power units flown in our Merin X-1's and a new generation of globally flying UAV's. Whether doing business in that niche market alone, or making laptops and cell phones you never need to recharge.....it doesn't matter to me personally. That's more business and plunder than I can personally enjoy. Strategically, for energy independence and American economy, it may be more suitable to delay wide market entry of our gear so that existing clean tech (like your own) can better entrench. If we do business on just aerospace and nothing more....that's more business than we need. Computers and phones....same thing. We don't even have to touch the EV car market or compete with CNG, water burnt as a fuel, or disrupt existing solar and wind power industries. In aerospace, we go where solar cannot go.

So, I'm actually a rather nice guy not looking to kill your commie cars or be all that disruptive. :-) Just telling you what's out there and what's coming. This is all American UFO tech coming down to earth. As for little green men, I honestly don't know on that issue. Lots of credible nerds from deep in the black world say it so. I'm hearing wild stories of many alien spacecraft shot down, little green men captured and butchered by our government, and all that. Crazy talk, indeed! I used to just laugh it off. But you know what's bothersome to me about it all that you never hear the space alien hypsters talking about? If it be true we did that --maybe accidentally while thinking them Russian spy planes -- there's a Darth Vader out there who has got to be real pissed off!!! :-( Maybe they're headed this way with their Death Star right now in payback for our act of war? :-( Bah! Who knows. All I know is the kind of man-made UFO tech we can truly do in decades ahead, not centuries.

That's been the most delightful thing for me to discover. I grew up in rocket science along the conventional tech for many years. Never thought man could fly to the stars in my lifetime; Always figured it centuries off. So far off that any contributions I made on it would only be a mere cog in the wheel long since forgotten. But, now that I see it only a couple decades away in technical possibility --- possibility not to do as a great Starship Enterprise yet, but the first crude and very dangerous flying contraptions to dare attempt and explore it further under manned missions --- that's exciting to me! I could spend a lifetime and do business in that realm alone and be happy without ever bothering to disturb existing clean tech.

NASA is aiming for this Mission to Mars a couple decades away when, in that same period, we can truly aim for another star system. In that same period, if we don't chase the tech I'm talking about, we don't really have a better way of dealing with that Apophis asteroid in 2029 to 2036, or the many other rocks that can easily head this way like Shoemaker-Levy nine did. That's why I'm not big on the greenie, save the Earth stuff much. With that looming over our heads, recycling your cans is kinda pointless. It's all good to take care of the planet, but, with emerging energy tech or the Kanzius burning of water alone....you can be more comfortable with ample wattage in doing so. Air Force needs to take some of the chains off the aerospace tech and make it more widely known so that the general scientific community can start seriously thinking about how to move and destroy that inbound rock.

Most dangerous of it all is that the technology and scientific understanding I'm talking about is brewing in the world, and in nations not at all friendly to America. And they're actually farther ahead of American aerospace and weapons science in many areas. There's a whole host of future tech in the works -- any one of which can secure a critical edge over everything we have as an Air Force today. The Air Force lives and fights strongly only because she's the one branch that understands you have to keep up or you die. It's called the "Delta TEK" vector of the AF 2025 strategic planning space. The exponentially changing direction that science alone can carry us beyond American ability to defend.

Under that one line of flow the world can possibly go, men are starting to learn more about the better control of Energy and Gravity. With that is a better understanding of manipulation of Time and Space. It gets really Dr. Evil crazy from here. Imagine a teenie bopper girl with a cell phone and angry at her boyfriend able to someday push buttons on her phone and send out seismic vibrations to collapse Twin Towers because he and his mistress are in there! :-| That's a little far off, but possible. Nearer term, foreign nations are already learning how to boost their H bombs through gravitational compression of the cores, and so now we move to continentally destructive nuke levels. Air power-wise, the new day of lasers alone -- like the MTHEL and then some -- this proliferated (and it is proliferating) -- pretty much shuts down the air forces of the world now that Directed Energy Weapons (DEW's) have a strategic edge and greatly enhance air defense systems. They're like dangerous SAM and AAA sites on steroids. If stealth aircraft can't get in there to kill those sites (and we've lost stealth), then you cannot project air power anymore. Can't project air power, and you can't control the ground or seas....nor space. It becomes a new kind of nuclear stalemate but more of a conventional weaponry stalemate that makes for a new kind of Cold War among the civilized nations. Peace and working together becomes the only logical course for the super powers, but you always have the smaller nations and suppressed Third World looking to gain power and not be marginalized, and some little nations are actually more ahead in some of the sciences than the superpowers. I read from some really great weapons scientist reports in the little countries.

Anyhow, the basic systems of that fictional Starship Enterprise --- reactor, warp engines, and phasor guns (plus faster than light, deep space telecom) -- that is truly in the world now and just in infancy. The real problem is that, if we do not visibly build that Enterprise and give man a more optimistic outlook as to his future, the ongoing proliferation of that science & technology brewing in the world threatens to destroy civilization before we even get there. If not man's stupidity and suicidal streak, we have natural threats inbound with that asteroid. So, the Enterprise must be built if only to get out there and tow or shoot up that space rock and other local rocks as part of the old USAF Planetary Defense System agenda, and you have to do that in some cooperation with the Ruskies and all that due to existing arms and arms in space treaties. And that's fine because the Russians in many ways are way ahead of us in some areas while America is ahead of them in others. So, if they continue to team up in space as we do now rather than trying to kill each other, then we can actually take on that asteroid and start thinking about much more challenging space missions than Mars.

Talk like that is then threatening to the NASA nerds jealously guarding their agendas, but there is nobody at NASA who is a true space junkie that doesn't want us on the Moon and Mars right now. So, ultimately, the tech I'm talking about is not a threat but a lust to them. The X-GEN systems we're making here are meant to supply power on even the dark side of the Moon (where it more sensible for Man to colonize because the lethal radiation from the Sun is not there). To establish first outposts on Mars and have unmanned aircraft flying around and continuing to explore here, you need high wattage power systems that don't have to worry about fuel supply and manufacture of fuel from the local region.

...If we open up the Moon and Mars as possible places for the middle class tourist to go near term, that's commerce. That's the ability to get man looking up to the sky in optimism again and dreaming about the future. When he doesn't do that, he goes stir crazy and starts to make war with his neighbor. It is when man got out into space, looked back, and realized the Earth a very small and delicate marble with such a thin atmosphere that he needs to be more clean & green, and the more man sees that and lives in space with all its dangers....the more precious his homeland becomes. The more he tries to get there, the more technology and peripheral tech advances and boosts economies. Everything we have today is really pushed forward mostly from Cold War aerospace tech -- electronics, Internet, all the radical stuff. We live in mostly Apollo Mission and Space Shuttle program technology.

So, if this President Obama is wise, he will seek to create for himself a new space legacy like JFK and Reagan did. By pushing for an Enterprise in the generation of his kids, then his talk moves away from politician b.s. on "hope" and "change" and becomes more real. Makes it very difficult for conservatives like me to hate a President like that if he were politically and aerospace ruthless like that. :-) If he takes up the vision of building that Enterprise in the next few decades and making it the standing order.....oh, he might go down as a one-termer or some redneck crazy out there might whack him, but, in history, he'll become like a JFK and then some. He'll be remembered as a great President rather than the struggle he goes through right now just to defend his ideas.

As far as stealth aircraft go, the old tech is compromised and has long been. That and a desire to get the B-2 funded was the only reason the F-117 was made publicly visible after its secret use in the war on Panama. But, that's okay because one of the fun things about working with gravity and warped space is that light (and radar beams) bend around that bubble. So, now we're at a day where you have Klingon-like cloaking devices possible -- true invisibility on the battlefield. Not just invisibility to radar, but to the naked eye. And, in early days that technology won't be like total invisibility....if you remember the first Predator movie with The Governator of California....it'll be kinda messy with transparency like that. Totally clean invisibility in later variants.

But once you start manipulating gravity, everything gets fun and also Dr. Evil dangerous.

Making things more massive = space warped inward = Time slowed down in that bubble.

Making things less massive = space warped outward = Time sped up in the bubble.

...So how do we deal with a world that continues to grow in capacity to manipulate those things? This is the problem. Not just from the energy rackets, but from those future dangers, is why a full understanding is appropriate to suppress in the world. But, the reality is that we cannot secretly whack every scientist out there who stumbles upon such things. We cannot be an American empire just squashing the technical advances of all these upstart nations. It's out there. It's brewing. The stuff America has guarded for decades in secret programs.....the little guys and individual scientists and experimenters have long since discovered and spread around. There have been leaks. Treasons. The standard defense move is to just ignore or strategically deride such things, and implement propaganda warfare to paint it all as crazy, lunatic, little green man/ UFO kook talk, etc. And that's pretty effective strategy with dirty tactics, but it can't hold the line for long.

Truth is that the restrictive nature of the defense science world makes it so that innovation is not really encouraged. The government-owned egghead is a mere slave. He follows orders like a good nazi. All the best science & tech is always crafted in the civilian world and among the radical scientists, and so smarter entities like USAF always keep a hand dipped in and cultivating that. Cultivating....monitoring....encouraging dreams....seeking to gain control and influence over the work civilians are doing and discovering that is overlapping with military interests, etc. That's all part of the ball game. It is in the national security interest to spread the vision and a general scientific understanding of a Starship Enterprise reality near-term, but it is not in the American interest to make the full technical details known.

In the same manner the public understands generally how A-bombs and H-bombs work and have seen it in action but all the engineering details are more regulated secrecy....it must go like that with the Enterprise agenda, too. So, if the USAF infects the world with Enterprise dreams, and spreads that dream and optimism around in the world, and gets scientists thinking about enhanced clean tech, and stirs an agenda of more peace in the world, and concurrently keeps watch of all the science & tech brewing......bringing those scientists under the umbrella rather than squashing and deriding them in the future.....then, we have a chance at building the Enterprise and dealing with that space rock while discouraging the rise of Dr. Evils and being able to kill them before they surface and try to destroy the world with Enterprise tech.

Anyhow, that's the big picture line I work along and maybe a better explanation of the crazy tech interests. Of all the places, USAF at least understands that it is totally stupid to go bashing crazy bicycle mechanics tinkering in their barn with silly flying contraptions and delusions of manned flight. And the only reason we have a USAF is because of troublemakers like General Billy Mitchell who was military prosecuted / persecuted for grumbling about incompetent Pentagon idiots. A great figure of "controversy" he was in his mediocre world back then, but his emerging buddies like Ike and MacArthur and Patton understood his heart. All he was pushing for was a separate military branch run by experts in Aviation, Aerospace, and air power projection rather than all these hacks and the incompetency it becomes when ruled by naval and army interests. Due to his making trouble, here we are today. And the work of Mr. Pickens and his trouble-making is partially along the same lines.

Radical stuff is crazy, threatening, disruptive, and shocking to even think about. Always bothersome. Messes up your hair. Makes you angry at first to see or consider it. But it is the duty of defense science to chase such things. Places like Defense Advanced Projects Research Agency (DARPA) are trying to do that, though a problem with the defense world is that it also mixes with establishment commerce. You cannot run science & tech agencies well and unbiased with truly no suppression of innovation when you pull program managers and agency leadership from the civilian world for a short time. If you take a guy out of Lockheed and give him a cushy, honorable assignment at DARPA for a few years term....he's going to always be working along Lockheed commerce agendas. Too much of the military-industrial complex syndrome at DARPA, though they do good things and have a great history. That needs change. Only a four star general should command (not direct) the place, in my view. But, it doesn't matter too much; for generals command their own science directorates and leaving DARPA as-is is fine and good for commercialization diversity, too.

When you get to the Department of Energy....they have a lot invested in Hot Fission and Hot Fusion research. Cold is out in the cold, but they cannot stop it from brewing in the world, Europe, and other places. Eventually, they'll have to admit to its reality or look like fools and evil dweebs. So they put up token efforts, Renewable Energy laboratories, and all that. Of all the things lately, really on this Pickens Army has been the most disruptive thing forcing the politicians and business as usual to be more serious on clean and renewable tech. Mr. Pickens has deviously made it so that, if you're not with the army, then you're against it as an un-American devil! :-)

....So, anyhow, what Snow Labs works on is not meant to disrupt the ongoing fight of the Pickens Army. Got plenty of business we can do in the aerospace realm and that's our happy home anyhow. I honestly could care less if the world drives gas cars, diesel, hydrogen burners, Kanzius water burners, natural gas. Whatever. It's off foreign all the same. As far as oil goes, we have more oil than Saudi Arabia in largely publicly unknown reserves in Alaska alone. It is in no short supply. It is probably not really a "fossil fuel" nor dwindling resource at all (That's just greenie commie propaganda I hate!). But, it is a dirty fuel all the same. If the world can do better in cars, why not? The American economy also grinds to a screeching halt the minute gasoline prices rise and our national security hinges on economic security, so we have to become less manipulated by oil prices. The entire war going on in Iraq and Afghan has nothing to do with American benevolence. Yes, it's about oil and mostly putting our prices at the pump secure. If we weren't so lusting for Arab oil, we might actually task CIA and State Department with trying to own their puppet governments less and thereby continuing to spread the American vision of Liberty in the world rather than secretly working to stifle it -- which is why it is a law that, wherever America has allied governments in the world under our empire, the people in that nation generally hate us and support terrorism. In places like Iran where we've been kicked out a long time and their mullahs are worse than us.....oh, the average moslem out there likes us. They even paint signs on the roofs of their homes for satellites to see, "America!! Please bomb us! Set us free!"

In China and Iran tyrannical states, the people out there want to be more American-like. They want to transform to greater capitalism and they're getting there while we go more socialist and tyrannical here. So, now we have this giant technology and economic powerhouse brewing in China that is nothing to laugh off. That country has more Ph.D scientists working on the latest in science & technology -- never laughing at crazy tech and the radical things -- and with more of those nerds in the top 10% of their college ranks than we have as students in every college in the U.S. And that's not even bringing Indian smarty pants dudes into the picture. As Ugly Americans overly cocky and resting on our laurels, we tend to think of China as this backwards, ox-cart, illiterate, overcrowded society of peasants in the Third World orient. Nope. There's over 650 million cell phone users out there that AT&T and others target for American telecom commerce alone. That's over double our own people. Clearly semi-literate and capable of using technology. Clearly most of them on grid power and having the basic essentials of life or they wouldn't be recharging their phones. What the hell do you need or want a cell phone for if your just some remote area, illiterate peasant?

....And that country is oil hungry! She'll be buying more and more of her oil from Russia, from the Caucasus region (which is the entire reason we're fighting to control Iraq and Afghan in order to create commerce stability in the area; Can't do it with Taliban holding business in the area hostage; Gotta eradicate it for our oil hungry empire.). China has expansionist, oil hungry agendas in the Pacific -- just like pre-WW2 Imperial Japan -- because the Solomon Islands are rich in oil fields, too.

....So, if we don't offset the oil hunger for the world, the Arab and moslem people will be only suppressed and killed all the more, and we'll be at direct war with China eventually which is a nuclear capable nation growing in ability to mortally wound this country. And with all that nerd power and soldier power brewing to her -- with all that open welcome to new technology and appreciation of radical technology --- you can be sure that nation will be sucking up every form of weapons technology ever brewing in the civilian world. Their spies read my own stuff daily and they will continue to acquire those dangerous Starship Enterprise technologies I'm talking about. And, if we laugh that off as a nation, it could kill and conquer us entirely. At the very least, we deny ourselves real transformation to Energy Independence. We deny ourselves an optimistic future in space in the lifetime of Generation Y and Z, which are presently lost generations of no hope.

Anyhow, William, I'm sorry to have been so nasty. I'm not really that way and was just having fun messing up your hairdoo. :-) That's what it takes to get people thinking or keep a classroom awake. I like to teach. I'm a tyrant who swats my students over the head and calls them names until they grow angry and disturbed by it all, hate me, and wake up. Best professors and trainers I had were abusive monsters you just hated, but they pounded the material into you. First flight instructor I had was this cranky, old, Navy fighter pilot teaching in gliders: "Nose down, damn you!!!!!!!!! Airspeed!!! Airspeed, you idiot!!!!! You keep pulling back on the stick like that and I'm gonna keep whacking you on the head with my charts!" Hurts your ego for awhile, but that instinct entrenched I owe my life to many times over. The funny part is you wind up cursing at yourself and airplane as an unruly horse -- saying the very same words in anger and struggle to just live and not lose control. And I had this nuke physics professor who was all monster. No open book tests allowed. No cheat sheets allowed. First day in class: "Any of you pre-med students? If so, get out now. I have only given a couple B's in my career. Most of you will get C's and D's. Only dudes I've given B's were sucked up by the government for designing nuclear warheads as a class project. I'm tenured. I don't have to be nice to you. I don't like any of you. You're lazy little college punks. But, if you want to learn physics, I'll teach you. You'll hate me, but you'll know the stuff when you get out. There are no open book tests or cheat sheets in real life. You need everything in your head. All the equations or you better be able to derive down to them from the basics. Like learning music, it's like that." And I hated that guy. He wasn't cruel or anything, but just a slave driver. A tyrant. One of the best professors you could ever have.

Anyhow, the act of professing truth is always an act of messing up hair and causing people to look and learn, and then they find delight where intelligent from the start. I knew it would come! That's why I kept hammering and I hope you enjoy what you find.

All the best,

Stan

Permalink Reply by SNOWMAN on October 21, 2009 at 1:26pm

[From a letter to a wild scientist friend and some others involved in defense science issues.]

As you're probably well aware, we have that annoying little Apophis asteroid headed inbound for possible impact with Earth just 19 to 26 years off. Impact energy of about 65,000 Megatons with first calculations of impact possible somewhere in the region of Indo-China, but an impact like that would reach us all and be at the level of dinosaur extinction. The astronomers are continuing to refine probability of impact calculations and it may in fact totally miss us in 2036 (http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-151). However, I don't think we should gamble mankind's survival on statistics calculations of a few nerds.

Being mistrustful of government and global depopulation agendas of the nazis at U.N. and in our government, I am not one to believe some devils in Washington and U.N. haven't probably figured: "Oh, hell, let it impact! It'll take out most of red China anyhow. It'll reduce the world's populations. Nothing like our New Order to spark from chaos! We'll have an easy time declaring global Martial Law like that. Let us crawl out of the rubble, but to hell with these unwashed masses and peasants. Too many of them competing for resources of Mother Earth anyhow. If we alone crawl out of the rubble and keep all the powers and toys, it would be much easier to enslave the world among a new Dark Ages! Troublesome China nuked and the world conquered in a day, Komrades!"

So expecting that the U.S. Government and military will actually conspire to save its own life.... this is a most illogical and insane thing to bank upon! All observations from history and present repeatedly prove the inverse! It is a safer bet to presume the asteroid is still headed inbound and that all calculations to the contrary are perhaps lies, propaganda, and b.s. implemented by governments in the hopes of killing us all. In their evil and insanity I trust, you might say.

Anyhow, a temporary stay of execution there does not remove the certainty of its orbital decay and impact on subsequent passes. The astronomers are just sort of hoping to sweep it under the rug; Procrastinate on dealing with it; Give everyone some Dr. Feelgood! The doodlings of a few astronomer nerds does not freeze all the moving rocks in the asteroid belt nor comets in the Oort cloud and prevent their going off course in the future. It doesn't deal with the space rocks out there that we haven't discovered yet. Considering Apophis was only discovered in 2004, it is safe to assume some other rock may be out there headed our way right now and these astronomers are still too near-sighted to see it. Dammit!!! I want my space rock inbound!! Don't take it away from us, you celestial observatory geeks!!!! It's a great excuse to plunder more aerospace tax dollars, you fools!!!! Give it back!!! They're p****** on our underdog glory here. I, Super Snowman, and you, League of Superfriends.....we shall save the day yet! F them!!!! I say the rock is still inbound and going to hit at some point. If not that one, others. So there.

In any case, back in 1994, I did a report that dealt with what it would take to move a 17 mile diameter asteroid away from collision path with the Earth.

1) First you gotta see the thing.

2) Then, you have to get there fast enough and apply your energy to it fast enough (presuming moving out of the way rather than destruction is the mission. Moving = less energy; Destroying = more energy and more mess; Best to move and deal with later rather than shatter the thing into smaller pieces.).

....The issue of seeing it fast enough and getting there fast enough, these two factors can make the mission impossible for conventional rocketry. Back then, I was only dealing with conventional rockets and orbits. Didn't know of the Hutchison Effect or these counter-gravitic matters. Favored launch into the Sun and slingshot from there to build up speed and hit in any direction of the solar system. If we could upgrade spacecraft thermal to survive >700K temperatures, we'd be able to ride some of that 617, 500 m/s Sun escape velocity. Like that, at an intercept point out past Jupiter, you could reach the target in just 11.2 days! (Same for getting to Mars much faster).However, such a platform would require about 495 times the liquid storage capacity of the Space Shuttle's external tank or the equivalant of 205 Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters operating in series. Kind of a Goliath of an engineering and budgetary feat. :-( So, back then, I pointed out the need for more advanced propulsion systems development.

Some clips:

"In dealing with run-away asteroids, the things to remember are that they need not be destroyed -- only shifted from course. And, early course adjustments can cause great deflections while requiring very little energy transfer!"

"The first priority after identification is to determine the energy needed to redirect the object. Based upon a velocity of 13,000 m/s, a mass of 3e+16 kg, and a 17 mile (27,353 m) clearance requirement by 559 days, it is determined that the object must be deflected at a velocity of 0.5 mm/sec at the intercept point (6.28e+11 m away) in order to miss the Earth. This corresponds to an energy value of 8.4e+12 Joules."

(Energy relation to grams of Uranium 235 required conversion).

"We see that it will take the fission of 98.5 grams Uranium 235 to release 8.4+12 Joules. This is the equivalent of only 2,000 tons TNT. "

"The energy requirements to create half a millimeter movement are well within the limits of today's several Megaton nuclear devices. However, should the object be allowed to stray too close to the Earth, the energy requirements for deflection may exceed technological capacities."

"Since the fastest possible intercept allows for reduced energy requirements, the path taken to intercept should be carefully considered. The following illustrates two course possibilities:"

(diagram & calculations)

"The first path, one which is presently within our capacity, is launch from Earth orbit very similar to our Voyager and Magellan probes. Although the journey to our intercept point would take 648 days (insufficient for the 559 day deadline), if equipped with more explosive power (several megatons), this craft could be redirected to intercept the object at only 3 days from impact. Movement of the object could occur at 0.31 m/s and sufficient clearance could be obtained after 24 hours. This corresponds to an energy transfer of about 4.65e+15 Joules." (Just use about 554 more of the small nukes; Closer to Earth = more nuke megatonnage need -- preferably lensed and in series detonation.)

"Although our Earth's escape velocity of 11,200 m/s provides a useful slingshot for interplanetary missions, our Sun's impressive 617,500 m/s escape velocity has yet to be tapped. Not only would the craft have to survive temperatures in excess of 700 degrees Kelvin, but it would require tremendous fuel capacity. Initially, the craft could travel from Earth orbit to the Sun in over 154 days. Then, while hurling around the Sun, every engine could operate to exceed the Sun's escape velocity. This acceleration provided would launch the craft to the intercept point in a period of 11.2 days allowing the best possible intercept and speedy coverage in every direction of the solar system. However, such a launch platform would require either 495 times the liquid storage capacity of the Space Shuttle's external tank or the equivelant of 205 Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters operating in series." [That's 165 to 166 days of mission time!]

"Fortunately, the chemical rocket is not the only propulsion design around. Many experimental propulsion methods have the potential to create far greater exhaust velocities, lowered mass & volume, and long-term operation. In conclusion, intercepting a fairly small, celestial object is not beyond our technical grasp. However, performing the task within available time limits may prove impossible if we do not plan ahead."

(Around this time, I also sketched out an array of Sun-orbiting astronomical satellites designed to used the Sun as a gravitational lense for refraction of light. With interference of that light from multiple satellites at a distance -- like a more spread out Very Large Array telescope -- we could have astronomical observation of celestial objects to far greater distance and extremely fine resolution compared to the best we have today. During this period, U.S. SPACE COMMAND tracked all objects in orbit of about a baseball's diameter. The general idea is that, with Very Large Orbital Array telescopes around the Moon and supercomputer analysis of imagery under parallel processing, we could see just about everything floating within the solar system. With a larger, gravitationally lensing array at planetary orbit distances....our eyesight can be extended well beyond the solar system and view the galaxies with greater resolution.)

Anyhow, I am not one to bank upon competency of goverment and military to plan ahead and deal with problems like that. Probably, by the time they pull their heads out of their a****, any inbound space rocks will be too numerous or too close and requiring too much energy to properly impact. To do any of it with rockets, you're talking about the near overnight assembly of aerospace systems larger than the Saturn rocket program and thinking this country can do that in a year or less is foolish. All that Goliath of chemical rocketry to carry a nuke warhead out to an intercept point is just so caveman wasteful and slow poke. Slingshot off the Sun is a waste of time and presents thermal engineering complexities that could make a mission impossible. 700 Kelvin = 427 Celcius = 800 F. Those temperatures are not at all a problem for aerospace structural materials to survive, but it would take ample thermal engineering to keep electronics and other components functional for a Sun slingshot. We do have systems to do that (particularly the cold that can be shunted in from the quantum vacuum; use of QV systems as radiators and heat sinks), however, and their operation would only need to be done for a brief period of a few days of that 11 day mission.

So, conventionally, a Sun slingshot to Mars for delivering nukes or people is not at all impossible and can get us there and back much faster! We don't need a one-year mission to Mars with all its dangers and engineering hassles when
we can go there much, much faster. Tricky part of that solution if going to Mars with people is the Mars orbital insertion burn. Gotta slow that train down or you'll shoot on right past Pluto and never come back!! That would take a lot of energy. But, if we move away from chemical rockets in favor of new propulsion systems, it is possible to go there much faster. If we can shoot into the Sun, we can certainly fire off the brakes in slowing down, too. But, it's all too ugly and Goliath a program with chemical rockets. Gotta shrink the propulsion systems down. Short of mastering
gravitational wave production and horns, modified Hutchison Effect is the way to go and even eliminates the need for Sun slingshot, me thinks!

Also, now if we could only figure a way to continually clean the debris h***, a modified Hutchison Effect laser would make a good mining drill. Thinking like Dr. Evil Project VULCAN here! Imagine trying to drill a h*** straight through the Earth with it. What would that take? Well, it would be easy enough to push the focal point through the entire depth if we had it moved down to "laser" like application. Only problem is the various blockage that caves in the h*** as you drill. If you've ever drilled a well, you'll know that's a bear at just 10 feet of drilling. Somehow, the debris has to be perhaps vaporized and h*** has to be kept clear along the entire laser beam's run. Certainly possible to do somehow with the mantle, but, when you get to fluidic and more plastic materials -- or magma -- that's kind of a bear. That drill would somehow have to vaporize and vortex flow it to the top while keeping the beam path clear...just like a hydraulic drill but along the full length of the wavetrain geometry. If you have that, then, sure, one could drill a h*** to China or cut the Earth in half in its orbit! Muhaaaa haaaa haaa!! Muheee heeee heeee!!! Got some ideas there.

But, if they pay us enough (and forever waive our company taxes + selling us their wives and daughters)...we could probably start thinking about and assembling the dudes to jellify, disintegrate, and/ or cut in half and slice & dice Apophis in orbit or anything else. That's one way the Planetary Defense System could hit things at closer to light speed -- might be handy for smaller debris and especially numerous asteroids or fragments of them inbound someday. Kinda hokey pokey impractical for bigger objects or doing a Death Star ray, but, for smaller objects and especially inbound comets that might just do the trick. Good for also weather control and storm destruction / alteration; Burn off of fog and clouds along runway or battlefield approach paths, etc.

(Censoring this and posting to that Pickens Plan thread).

Stan

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