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Comment by John Paul Cabrera on November 13, 2008 at 7:25pm

HELLO Group!
I HOPE we get off the oil as soon as possible! I am trying! I drive a hybrid-it's not much but it's a start! How do we all feel about bailing out the American Auto. Companies? I am really angry about this!
PEACE,
John Paul "JP" Cabrera, San Gabriel, CA (LA County)

Comment by Richard Barnard on November 12, 2008 at 11:34am

I agree with Fred – the EV will be our future. I’m suggesting the bridge to the EV is the HEV (hybrid ELECTRIC vehicle). The EV isn’t quite there yet – the HEV is.

I invented the HEV (hybrid electric vehicle) beginning 1978. The Patent was issued 1986.

I would like people to energetically, aggressively push the American Automobile manufacturers to build the HEV (hybrid electric vehicle). This vehicle will reduce consumption of any alternative energy and reduce carbon.

The HEV (hybrid electric vehicle) can use many alternative energies. It is the most flexible automobile available. It’s not being built to use the following with the exception of gasoline/diesel but it can be.

HEV – flex fuel,
HEV – hydrogen (water)
HEV – dirty hydrogen (NG)
HEV – NG
HEV – LNG
HEV – LPG
HEV - CNG
HEV - H2
HEV – E85
HEV – gasoline – not an alternative energy; however it is available. HEV = less consumption
HEV – diesel – not an alternative energy; however it is available. HEV = less consumption
HEV – solar? Future
HEV – plasma? Future
HEV – etc, etc, etc, etc, etc

The HEV – (plug in) can be used with any of the above. If the fuel is combustible it can be used. What the HEV allows is less consumption of any fuel used. None of the alternative energy fuels above are available in quantity. Demand is the problem if we want to wean ourselves off Middle Eastern oil.

The HEV is an EV a hybrid EV. Many people don’t think of it as being an electric vehicle.

The hybrid can be built to be as fast and sturdy as any sports car, SUV or Truck manufactured today. Eaton is currently building a truck for Fed X and others.
Richard Barnard

Comment by FredDC on November 12, 2008 at 10:05am

This is from About.com
Average cost of electric vehicle vs gasoline: Less than 1/2

Electricity Basics
Electricity used to power vehicles is generally provided by the electricity grid and stored in the vehicle's batteries. Fuel cells are being explored as a way to use electricity generated on board the vehicle to power electric motors. Unlike batteries, fuel cells convert chemical energy from hydrogen into electricity.

Vehicles that run on electricity have no tailpipe emissions. Emissions that can be attributed to electric vehicles are generated in the electricity production process at the power plant.

Home recharging of electric vehicles (EVs) is as simple as plugging them into an electric outlet. Electricity fueling costs for electric vehicles are reasonable compared to gasoline, especially if consumers take advantage of off-peak rates. However, electricity costs vary across the U.S. depending on location, type of generation, and time of use. For average U.S. electricity prices, see the Energy Information Administration's Residential Electricity Prices: A Consumer's Guide. Many states, particularly California, have public access electric outlets at libraries, shopping centers, hospitals, and businesses.

Vehicles with direct current (DC) electric systems get about 0.4 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per mile, while those with more efficient alternating current (AC) systems get about 0.174 to 0.288 kWh per mile. If your home electricity rate is $0.13 per kWh, it would cost about $0.05 per mile for DC operation and $0.03 cents per mile for AC operation. You would pay $0.12 per mile for gasoline in a vehicle that gets 25 miles per gallon when gasoline sells for $3 per gallon.

Comment by Richard Barnard on November 2, 2008 at 11:27am

My reply to Pete Stark Congress D CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barnard
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:03 PM
To: 'Pete Stark'
Subject: RE: A message from Congressman Pete Stark

Honorable Pete Stark
Member of Congress
Reference your e-mail to me October 27, 2008 in reference to my request for you to support the “Pickens Plan”.
Dear Congressman Stark:
I appreciate your concern about Mr. Pickens and companies in which
he is the principal shareholder being the biggest financial beneficiaries
of the plan; however, I have to respectfully disagree and commend anyone
in America and any affiliate they may be associated with that is willing
to spend billions of non-taxpayer dollars that will eradicate our dependence
on foreign oil. When he benefits we all benefit. He pays higher taxes
because of his profits and we are less dependent on Middle Eastern Oil.
In addition, Mr. Pickens hires thousands of American Workers that will
be needed to implement his plan all of which will be tax payers helping
to build schools, roads and help the impoverished in America. These are
the fundamentals on which America was founded and became the greatest Nation in the world.

Mr. Pickens has stated the switch to natural gas would only be a temporary solution. He has stated that natural gas would be a bridge to other alternative energies; i.e. electric vehicles, hybrid electric vehicles using alternative energies, hydrogen vehicles, solar vehicles, etc. We have over 60 years of natural gas reserves in American to support his plan. I can get you the
details if you want. It won’t take trillions of dollars to retrofit filling stations.
Even if it did it would be the oil companies that will retrofit the stations.
They are retrofitting stations now to use E85 and some are retrofitting now
to use natural gas. Utah and Colorado are in the forefront doing this –
some in California. California is going to spend billions of dollars
trying to implement a hydrogen freeway between San Francisco and
Los Angeles. If California had doneit right the oil companies would have
picked up the tab. The oil companies are in the energy business.
They don’t care what type of energy they sell.California shouldn’t care
what energy is sold as long as it can be metered and our Federal and
State governments get their share of taxes. There are home retrofit natural gas dispensers that can be implemented that are metered for taxes. These are relatively inexpensive and wouldn’t cost trillions of dollars. The automobile manufactures can be told by Congress to supply and install these with any
new natural gas vehicle sold. The oil and utility companies may even be
willing to pick up some of the added cost – they sell energy. A rebate
by our Federal and State governments should be implemented to offset the
cost of these devices to the purchaser of the vehicle.

I invented the HEV (hybrid electric vehicle) beginning in 1978 and received
my patent 1986. I had complete backing by the Late Honorable Congressman Don Edwards who wrote many letters to Secretary Edwards, The Department of Energy (Mr. George P Lewett) and others. SecretaryEdwards and Congressman Don Edwards were incomplete support. Technology wasn’t advancedenough then to build the HEV. It has now cometo fruition and it is being manufactured. We had urgency in 1980 because of PLO activity and previous oil embargos and shortages. Middle Eastern Terrorism hasn’t
stopped it has just changed its name. Global warming hasn’t changed.
It too has just changed its emphasis. Things haven’t changed. We continue
to have urgency.

We are about to give the automobile manufacturers25 billion dollars to
re-tool. We can, because it is taxpayer money, tell them what to build. An
HEV using natural gas is the least expensive way to implement the bridge to other alternativeenergies. The HEV can be manufactured to use any combustible fuel; i.e. hydrogen, natural gas, any bio-fuel, any fuel that is combustible. Natural Gas is the only fuel available today in the quantity
needed and won’t cost billions. We won’t have to implement the hydrogen highway. Hydrogen is not available in the quantity needed nationally.
The oil companies will pick up the tab to explore and extricate natural gas.
We as a Nation have to help by allowing it and we as a Nation are
respectfully asking you to help. Indorsing the Pickens Plan is your first step.
Implementing legislation for energy independence beginning in 2009 is your second opportunity.
Sincerely yours,
Richard Barnard

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Stark [mailto:petemail@mail.house.gov]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
To: Richard Barnard
Subject: A message from Congressman Pete Stark

Dear Mr. Barnard:

Thanks for your letter asking me to support the "Pickens' Plan" for energy. There is some merit to Mr. Pickens' plan, although I am skeptical when the biggest financial beneficiary of the plan would be Mr. Pickens himself and
companies in which he is the principal shareholder.

Mr. Pickens is absolutely correct that wind energy must be expanded and I commend him for making a large financial investment in a wind farm in
Texas. It is imperative that we, as a nation, end our addiction to fossil fuels
and move toward clean and renewable sources of energy.By doing so
we can not only combat global warming we can also create jobs here in the United States.

Mr. Pickens is also advocating a switch to natural gas to fuel trucks and
cars. Replacing gasoline with natural gas would certainly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but it would, at best, be a temporary solution and would cost trillionsto retrofit filling stations and convert cars to burning natural gas. A
better solution would be to continue to raise fuel efficiency standards and
fast track development of electric cars, which are more a long-term solution than natural gas powered automobiles.

I wholeheartedly agree that the 111th Congress and the next President must put energy policy at the top of the agenda. The 110th Congress has already taken our energy policy in a new direction. We passed the first increase in CAFE fuel efficiency standards in a generation (H.R. 6), a move that will save
1 million barrels of oil per day and reduce ourdependence on foreign oil.
On two occasions, I supported House bills to require electricity from renewable sources to comprise 15% of our total output by 2020. Unfortunately, the Senate
blocked these provisions. I will continue advocating for solutions to our energy crisis.



Sincerely,

Pete Stark
Member of Congress

FHS/jjh

Comment by Michael, Houston on November 1, 2008 at 7:26am

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Comment by Mike Anthony Fernald Sr. on October 23, 2008 at 11:46am

Comment by Carl Ross on October 7, 2008 at 10:05pm

First Action/Letter to Senators Obama & McCain:

Dear Senators,

If you are looking for ways to stimulate our economy and create energy independence then you need to consider the pickens plan.

We have the means to bridge the deficit we are pouring out of our country every year by simply giving our countrymen the proper incentives to develope this resource. It can be the stepping stone that creates jobs in the process while generating revenue for the development of the next alternatives. The game changers, if you will -- like hybrid electric vehicles that can be powered from a variety of energy sources. The vehicles should be consumer and industrial. An electric platform vehicle with hub centric wheels able to utilize any number of power sources that power the onboard cells and electric generator that turns the wheels. The "Monster Trucks" we see at sports events use hub centric wheels that give the vehicles better handling and performance. If we can push a submarine across the ocean with electric turbines then why can't we power a semi-truck. Imagine the consumer who could plug in his car after every commute and only need to consume fuel if he travels beyond the battery cells 120 mile range. He could go the whole week without putting any gas, hydrogen, flexfuel, CNG, etc.(whatever fuel source of his vehicle uses...) into his tank. If the body of his car and house had Solar cells on them then the consumer would not need to refuel except on prolonged trips. The possibilites are there, we need the commitment of visionary leadership to give the industry the incentives to develope. Abraham Lincoln had the choice at the on-set of the Civil War to by trains from Europe as the U.S. had no comparable industry to speak of. He chose to invest the money into American industry and at the end of the Civil War the U.S. had the best train system in the world. We can do the same with energy. Let's start investing that 700 billion we send to foreigners on Americans who need the work and the security & peace of mind that our money is being spent to help our countrymen not terrorist.

Sincerely,

C.L.Ross

Comment by Peter Santana on October 7, 2008 at 8:22pm

I'm pretty excited by the plan and I am ready to do what's needed to make more people aware. Its not going to please oil barrons and the auto industry; but despite that I'm game!

Comment by Gary Nicholson on October 7, 2008 at 11:31am

Hello! Is there anyone in Los Angeles who would like to meet up and start working on forming a grassroots organization to help further the renewable energy revolution? We need to make sure voters are clear on the issues and the bills that are before our own legislature and in congress. Any thoughts? Suggestions? Comments? Anyway, glad I found this place and very happy to be here!

Comment by Steve Bonfiglio on October 4, 2008 at 3:06pm

I'm a science teacher in Orange. Is there any way to get help (funding and expertise) in setting up a small working wind mill at the private high school I teach at? I would love to make it a permanent part of the science teaching curriculum at our school.

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