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Comment by Eric Koch on May 19, 2009 at 9:20pm

i wanna guess,so vague and distantly familiar,my grandpa passed on when i was 4...so i'm a little choked up, because it reminds me.. that's when my grandma started speaking only english....sadly, i'm not the multi linguist of my forebears.

Comment by Clyde Childers on May 19, 2009 at 8:42pm

duk cua!!

Comment by Eric Koch on May 19, 2009 at 8:34pm

Your doing well,

i'm second generation on my mothers side,my grandpa was austrian and my grandma was ukrainian.

Comment by Clyde Childers on May 19, 2009 at 6:00pm

Eric

Thank ya...I am happy. I have problems with English so I had to take my time to write this over and over again. I still could use some help.

Thanks man and more power ot you also Eric.

Comment by Clyde Childers on May 19, 2009 at 5:55pm

http://www.wattsenergy.com/vid/promotion.html

Comment by Eric Koch on May 19, 2009 at 5:48pm

Well....That speech deserves a standing ovation.

i'm a simple mathematician too....i'd love to go into business with you,but my math says my yard still doesn't actually exist,and my wallet is empty, and will remain as such if i don't get some tree saucers built.

More power to ya Clyde,

rulgert

Comment by Clyde Childers on May 19, 2009 at 8:24am

Let see if take Vermonts feed-in tariff for MAWG is around .10 a kWh. so 1000 kW(1MW) x.42% X 24 hours X365 day= 3,679,200 kWh annually. That the feed-in tariff of .10 cent as proposed by Vermont equals $367,920 a year. Your cost to finance this puppy at 7.5% interest rate is around $24,167 a month for 20 years for profit of $77,000 a year. I haven't calcualted the PTC if they still apply.

For solar concentrators, CPV prices are around $3.00 a watt today and coming down. Sunball out of Auistrialia prices are the best on the market. Their machines are now in production. Here for Feed-in tariff of $.30 kWh, a 1MW solar CPV machine will produce about =1000 *numberof sun days(4.13)*365 is 1,507,450 kWh at $.30 it is $452,235 gives us a profit of $162,231, Gee where do I sign for this system. Amonix system is easy to install. I take about two days for installation so isn't Sunballs system.

Well now the taking about all of this, what does it cost the consumers in their power bill. Let see, if have 10 cent rate for wind, the assuming I have 1 M cusomers in Vermont who would pay $1 a month for a feed-in tariff. That means I could have 32 MW of wind power generated under this system. The cost to trhe consumer largely is function of the Cap on placed on total production. If I am willing to pay $5 a month more for my power that 150 MW of wind power or 50 MW of solar at $.30 feed-in tariff.

Would you like to go into business with us!!


But, then I am simple mathematican, not a financial man.

Comment by Clyde Childers on May 19, 2009 at 8:18am

Eric

I doubt the you are retard on the economics. Currently, according ot latest information on Solar Buzz http://www.solarbuzz.com/ the price of thin film solar cell was $2.74 a watt. I think can buy these system for about $2.50 a watt uninstalled. Add $1 a watt more to install. A Feed rate as proposed in Vermont feed-in tariff would be about .30 kWh. My home is modest, I have downsize in small house so I need a 6.65 kW system to produce 50% of my power of 660 square feet. The site run by DOE called findsolar.com is excellent site to find the sun resources and there projected cost. They are out-of-date on the cost. So the cost of installing my house is about $25,000. At the feed-in tariff rate of $.30, I earn about $4,500 a year. I have 4.13 suns a day on the average according to Findsolar.com. Hence I would pay for solar system in 5 to 6 years payout to last 20 year on the Feed-in tariff contract is ROI of 19% wow. I haven't applied the tax credits that Oregon gives.

Now wind bit more trickier. It depends on the wind resources of the site, but be economical for Low altitude wind Generator (LAWG ) the capacity factor need to be around. 28-32% effective. The good wind resource. There are not many of those in Vermont. Today, the install cost is around $2.00 a watt. For Medium altitude wind generator(MAWG) the capacity factor is about 41% to 45% and install cost maybe around $3.00 a watt. Vermont might be able take number class 4 wind site by using MAWG and become a class 7 wind resources.

Comment by Eric Koch on May 19, 2009 at 6:01am

Your probable correct about the economics of it.....admitedly i am a retard when it comes to financial systems,i don't understand the terminology or processes...i think the reason i don't is because i just figure it would piss me off to a point where i would become a danger to my self and others...so i try not to think about it..

large portions of the country have fairly good solar resource and if your yard is that big this is obviously doable...sorry.

i have no land currently and am largely invested in an entry level zero carbon housing production business( sinking money and time and shooting for the turnaround like my life depends on it )......my funding is very minimal but i'm doing my best to build America by keeping my expenditures as local as possible....and promoting evacuated tube solar thermal/ground source heat pump hybrid systems for local existing homes...as well as retrofits of past prime housing to urban horticultural centers ( most energy effective solution to this infrastructural nightmare,brought to us by generations of "housing professionals" )....

i guess ,in a way, you could say "economics" has always been the problem...not so much currency (as this could be boiled down to a means to facilitate agreement)...But an "economics" based on the free ride provided by an ever increasing population and "unconscious" resource consumption=less resources and more people to divide them up between= this really sucks....so yeah,keep up the good work.....whatever that is.

Comment by Clyde Childers on May 18, 2009 at 10:18pm

Eric, I was thinking about Amonix new 57 kW Concentrated Photovoltaics system. I need 5 to 7 acres of land to place 1 MW of CPV system. Even smaller area if I use Sunrgi solar system. I know a lot of places in small towns where there are lots that could used to site a solar system of 1 MW. Just think, we could have a whole new industry built around the idea of BUILDAMERICABUILD. If we only had the will power to enact feed-in tariffs. It a shame that most of stem cell treatment centers are off shore. China will outstrip us in wind installed turbines this year, and other countries are moving forward because they have adopted FIT's to employ their people. If don’t enact Feed-in Tariffs in this country, our wind and solar industries will also move offshore.

But we have this tired policy of tax credit and breaks that leaves us in debt, destroys our schools, leaving our roads and bridges in disrepair and failing for our grandfathers and mothers a method of paying for their medicine. Gee!! What great policy.

I like the idea of willie nillie placement of solar systems in my backyard and allow our home and business earns $3,000 to $12,000 annually for generating solar power. I like the idea of willie nillie to allow solar power plants in vacate lots earning $100,000. I really want a willy-nilly policy that enhances the rural America who won’t be enslaved by Wall Street but work for themselves in new rebirth of America. So, ERIC, let make willie nillie our policy. Let reject the tired ideas of net metering and large wind/solar farm own by few and rich. Let distribute the generation willie nillie across the countryside so every man and women can earn a nickel or dime for his power. Let WILLY NILLY rain!!! across the face of America..

Then---c there is Watts Energy that stacks duct fan arrays on top of each other reaching into the sky to capture the higher altitude wind. Of course this means that will have to measure their site with tetroons or other wind measurement systems including SkyScat!! Wow more people to work and more working people earning a nickel and dime for their generation. I love distributed wealth and generation, it how you build America build.

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