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Foreign Oil Is A Threat to Our National Economy and Security! NG Must be a Transportation Fuel Option

In 1961 President Kennedy challenged all American's to work together and put a man on the moon before the end of the decade. To the world's surprised, we did it! This urgency is no less relevant today, in our fight against foreign oil's threat to our national economy and security?

“This decision demands a major national commitment of scientific and technical manpower, materiel and facilities, and the possibility of their diversion from other important activities where they are already thinly spread. It means a degree of dedication, organization and discipline which have not always characterized our research and development efforts. It means we cannot afford undue work stoppages, inflated costs of material or talent, wasteful interagency rivalries, or a high turnover of key personnel. New objectives and new money cannot solve these problems. They could in fact, aggravate them further--unless every scientist, every engineer, every serviceman, every technician, contractor, and civil servant gives his personal pledge that this nation will move forward, with the full speed of freedom..." President Kennedy's 05/25/61 "Man on the Moon" Address.

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Are you interested in becoming an organizer in your area?
Yes
Tell us about your experience with alternative energy:
None other than conservation. Although, I have been doing everything I can to become more informed on Bi-fuel vehicles and CNG conversions. To make CNG conversions affordable and accessible, in the USA, we MUST get the Federal EPA to implement a more common sense approach to CNG conversion kit certification!
What excites you about this campaign?
That someone at a national level is pushing for energy change, and a move away from foreign oil.
What do you want to do to help?
Help as needed. Help create change that will make CNG conversion kits more available to all Americans!

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At 12:02pm on April 21, 2009, Bob Maxwell said…
Hi Dave, I just joined your district. Do we have any meetings scheduled in the Stark/Wayne County areas? Let me know. Thanks, Bob
At 10:03am on January 25, 2009, Nancy Mendenhall said…
sounds great - let me know what we can do to get started - I have a pretty good network of friends and acquant. that I can contact. The first thing is all of us from the 16th getting together and organizing and getting some literature that we can hand out to give people an idea of teh big spectrum. It is easy to tell people to go to such and such a website, but I think paper, things people can read work well too. I have contacted J. Boccieri's office. he is in Washinngton until the end of January.
At 11:27am on January 24, 2009, Della McDonald said…
I have experience in the wind industry and want to join the group that can affect the most change in NE Ohio. I would like to gecome involved in a working group that also wishes to dig in and get some things done here. We could help by working with Ohio development office to simplify grant or subsidies available to those in our district. Please respond

Sincerely,
Della McDonald
At 12:07pm on January 20, 2009, Nancy Mendenhall said…
How can I get invovled??? Why has our new congressman J. Boccieri not signed on yet? I cannot even find where he has set up an office in his district. Can anyone help me find that info? All I can find is his Campaign Office in downtown Canton. Please let me know how I can help!!
nancy Mendenhall
At 2:09pm on December 1, 2008, Curtis Martin said…
The decision to make a dedicated vehicle was based on the fact that there are no incentives provided for bi-fuel vehicles. Retrofits are expensive due to the certification process, and having incentives available to organizations/entities to convert are critical to the success of the project.

The target market for this vehicle, as with virtually any conversion, bi it bi, or dedicated, is fleets that are mandated to use alt fuels. There are not enough private parties to guarantee the success, and ROI of a project. This is the realities of life at this juncture.

The gov't doesn't see bi-fuel as a valid escape from oil, therefore no incentives. People tend to be lazy and use what's more convenient. Case in point... the federal fleets. Many alternative fueled vehicles in state and federal fleets are never run on the alternative fuel. In fact, if there's no available alternative fuel within 5 miles, they simply request a waiver and never use it rather than add infrastructure to guarantee it's use.

The Impala will target the Taxi, city, state, and federal fleets. Some private buyers will purchase, but most that will end up in private hands will do so second hand as they rotate out of fleet service. Very similar to the GSA vehicles that individuals own now.

Bi fuel is a great option for area's of the country lacking sufficient infrastructure, however the gov't isn't going to push cng infrastructure and it will, as it always has, develope around fleet use. At this pace... we are a long way out from an NGV in every driveway.

This is why supporting Clean Cities is so critical. They are our best hope for the accelerated use of alternative fuels. Keep up the good word in supporting cng as a transportation fuel and email me at altfuelsmgr@gmail.com and we'll see if we can get you back up in cngchat.com.
Warmest regards,
Curtis Martin
Clean Cities Coordinator.
At 12:26pm on November 30, 2008, Curtis Martin said…
Dave, an organization that you should definitely look into joining is the Clean Cities Coalition. They are the liazon between the DOE and Federal, State and local fleets, as well as private sector, in the developement of infrastructure and bringing AFV's to our American roadways. You can find a link to the national list of coordinators in the Clean Cities Forum of my website, www.cngchat.com. Here is a link; http://cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3249.
Curtis Martin
Clean Cities Coordinator
At 10:12am on November 23, 2008, Jeff Greene said…
The Impala conversion is for 3.5 and 3.9L Flex Fuel Engines. I will post the specifics on Monday.
At 2:57pm on November 14, 2008, Dave Clement said…
Our suburban is a conversion, our other three are factory CNG vehicles, we have 4 total, 3 bifuel and one dedicated. We do not own any Honda's yet.
At 9:14am on September 5, 2008, David Smith said…
LNG is a cryogenic storage technique used to liquefy natural gas using very low temperatures. Below are links explaining the LNG process. I like LPG but it will experience upward price pressure when the natural gas conversion begins since it is dependent on oil refining. As oil refining is reduced due to natural gas vehicle use the availability of LPG will be reduced. This scarcity will cause the price per gallon equivalent to rise.

FAQ on LNG
http://www.energy.ca.gov/lng/faq.html#600
Distribution
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/fuels/images/map_us_ng_pipelines.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/fuels/natural_gas_distribution.html&h=456&w=702&sz=59&hl=en&start=3&um=1&usg=__oDdKppeFZOMdoOY2AOFR8wOMlQY=&tbnid=JdE0IOiTrC1UTM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlng%2Bstorage%2Bnationwide%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26suggon%3D0%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN
At 9:34am on August 21, 2008, Georgia Crowell said…
On the weekly pickens today there were several comments about CNG and its availability. Evidently, there are differences of opinion. Thanks for getting me interested in the subject, I can now understand what's going on. Georgia
At 10:06am on August 18, 2008, Georgia Crowell said…
Dave,
I keep seeing that you and others are talking about the CNG Conversion Kits, but I don't understand what they are. I've tried to read about them, but the websites are not basic enough for me.
At 6:31pm on August 17, 2008, younkin said…
Dave, what I am doing is gathering all the info I can get on CNG Conversions, Suppliers and CNG Mechanics. As soon as I get a kit I will start installing them and not look back, Jim
At 7:09pm on August 13, 2008, Anthony P. Mandato said…
Hey Dave,

The lack of refeuling stations is a classic example of "Lack of the right kind of Leadership!! But again,( I'm not just stuck on one type of fuel) I say we use the least expensive method that we have available to us now and search for something, perhaps more plausable soon thereafter. My example of the fleets that are/have been around using CNG was just that, an example! However I beleive that there is common ground enough amongest us within the span of this website as well as all who agree with T. Boone's plan that it is just a matter of just getting this thing out there to everyone so Congress as well as the president can clearly see that we have a "National Emergency" here to enable this to kick into high gear and I really beleive, "that- in- itself should be the main focus of discussion. I truly believe if I were as weathly as T. Boone I too would be standing right beside him, and especially on this issue, largely because I have felt this way about this matter since I was a kid and always wondered if I should or even could have been one to either invent something or some process to enable me to help mankind. I feel it's in all of us to at least try to make a difference whatever the contribution.
At 1:00pm on August 3, 2008, David Smith said…
The On Board Diagnostics (OBD) is a proprietary data manipulation system developed by car makers. Being proprietary, the automakers do not have to release the manufacturing data in their product. This makes the development of a system to work within the parameters of the original device very technically challenging (a guessing game as to what it takes to not create a fault). A standalone system would be technically very simple since all the device would do was monitor emissions.

Here is the definition of the current OBDII
On-Board Diagnostic systems are in most cars and light trucks on the road today. During the '70s and early 1980's manufacturers started using electronic means to control engine functions and diagnose engine problems. This was primarily to meet EPA emission standards. Through the years on-board diagnostic systems have become more sophisticated. OBD-II, a new standard introduced in the mid-'90s, provides almost complete engine control and also monitors parts of the chassis, body and accessory devices, as well as the diagnostic control network of the car.

There is no need for the conversion kit to tie into a diagnostic system that monitors many more things than the emissions. A stand-alone system could be developed very quickly if EPA allowed it to monitor only emissions.

http://www.obdii.com/background.html#What
At 12:11pm on August 3, 2008, David Smith said…
Check out the legislation-tracking site for specific legislation that can influence these problems.
http://push.pickensplan.com/group/legislationtracking

A combining of S. 3281 and H.R. 3776 would create an environment that would reach the 38% natural gas transition very quick. It would also reduce the cost of a conversion considerably, bringing it within the reach of the average American.
At 12:07pm on August 3, 2008, David Smith said…
Here is summary of some of the regulations that are making the conversion of private vehicles astronomically expensive. Sorry about the length of the response.

The problem at present is that the rules in place are designed for fleet operations where grants are available to local and state governments to help with the sky-high costs.
The OBDII (1996: The OBD-II specification is made mandatory for all cars sold in the United States) rule can be modified so a conversion system can use a separate emission alarm system. This would reduce the cost of each engine certification. A standardized system that can be used across all gasoline engines would allow millions of vehicles into the conversion stream.
Even CARB is seeking relief from this onerous rule so the state can certify autos for the private motorist at a reasonable cost.
Here is an excerpt from the NATURAL GAS VEHICLE RESEARCH ROADMAP undertaken for CARB in California.
There needs to be a national focus on after-market conversions—it would be nice for $ to go towards developing more conversions for more platforms.
Conversions are available domestically, however they must be certified for use by EPA and ARB in California—the latter, a reportedly challenging process that must be undertaken for each engine/vehicle model combination. In addition to uncertainty of market demand, different safety and emissions certification standards, along with different incentives and mandates, serve as barriers to foreign light-duty NGV models in the US.

http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/fuels/natural_gas_laws_federal.html

Aftermarket Alternative Fuel Vehicle (AFV) Conversions
Conventional original equipment manufacturer vehicles altered to operate on propane, natural gas, methane gas, ethanol, or electricity are classified as aftermarket AFV conversions. All vehicle conversions, except those that are completed for a vehicle to run on electricity, must meet current applicable U.S. Environmental Protection Agency standards. For more information about vehicle conversion certification requirements, see the Alternative Fuels & Advanced Vehicles Data Center's Conversions Web site. (Reference 40 CFR 85)


Search Database:
Code of Federal Regulations (current data)
For: "40CFR85"
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi
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(c) Aftermarket conversion system means any combination of hardware, including but not limited to fuel storage and fuel metering hardware, which is installed on a light-duty vehicle, light-duty truck, heavy-duty vehicle, or heavy-duty engine with the effect of allowing the vehicle or engine to operate
on a fuel other than the fuel which the vehicle or engine was originally certified to use. Components which do not affect the emissions performance of the converted vehicle or engine, as determined by the Administrator, are not included for the purposes of this subpart.

§ 85.2207 On-board diagnostics test
standards.
(a) [Reserved]
(b) A vehicle shall fail the on-board diagnostics test if it is a 1996 or newer vehicle and the vehicle connector is missing, has been tampered with, or is otherwise inoperable.
(c) A vehicle shall fail the on-board diagnostics test if the malfunction indicator light is commanded to be illuminated and it is not visually illuminated according to visual inspection.
(d) A vehicle shall fail the on-board diagnostics test if the malfunction indicator light is commanded to be illuminated for one or more OBD diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), as defined by SAE J2012. The procedure shall be done in accordance with SAE J2012 Diagnostic Trouble Code Definitions, (MAR92). This incorporation by reference was approved by the Director of the Federal Register in accordance with 5 U.S.C. 552(a) and 1 CFR part 51. Copies of SAE J2012 may be obtained from the Society of Automotive Engineers, Inc., 400 Commonwealth Drive, Warrendale, PA 15096–0001.

Also see - § 85.2222 On-board diagnostic test procedures.

The development of a stand alone On Board Diagnostic (OBD) that works across all engine types could eliminate the certification requirement on the conversion kit and place the emphasis on the diagnostic system. This would allow millions of vehicles to qualify for conversions overnight. Delete Comment
 
 
 

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