Hi Jim, Thanks for your kind comments on my carpooling concept. Carpools are a dime a dozen but in spite of their ubiquity they still handle only about 6% of the workforce. As you pointed out, I believe this system which finds the rides as the driver begins his journey and directs him to the pickup would dramatically increase participation. I am hoping that someone can suggest a solution for the problem of making sure that we get a good mix (approx 3 riders for each driver) and that each rider can get home. The best I can come up with is offering the service within the reach of metropolitan mass transit or provide a more expensive backup of a fleet of vans to take people home who missed the time when everyone was going home. Interesting that a similar concept was tried in the 70's.
At 10:07am on November 16, 2008, Kathy LeFevre said…
If you can find any use for the machine I have outlined let me say here and now you have all the rights of its conception. Do what you can to improve on its design and/or explain to me why this design could not work, OK
You have brought up some very good questions. Let me try to address each one:
“If seawater is in contact with molten rock (lava), it should get hot enough to boil when it gets far enough up the tube so that the pressure is reduced. The resulting steam would provide a flow to turn the turbine.”
This we agree on
“ What is left after the seawater boils, mostly salt, would need to be removed; I assume that is what the box with minerals is doing. “
No the lower box is collecting metals like iron, nickel and gold and other metals.
“I am not sure I understand how the minerals are pulled to the side into that box.”
The metals suspended in the super hot seawater have a greater mass than water molecules. As the metals cool they start sticking to each other clumping together. This increases the mass of the clump. Once the mass is greater than the surrounding seawater gravity will pull the metals down. Downward sloping troughs will catch the falling metals. The metals will then drift down and into the lower box.
“I am not sure I understand how the curving tube makes a difference; gases other than steam would boil out with the steam.”
The curved tube is curved because of the drawing requirements. The tube just could not be drawn to go up, around the boxes and into the turbine chamber. In an effort to make the process more understandable I drew the tube to go around the larger tube and then up into the turbine chamber. My effort to try and make the process as simple as possible seems to have failed.
“How would flammable gases be separated from other gases?”
The gases do not have to be separated. When the gases are mixed with surface air and then burned the non-flammable gases will just enter the atmosphere. Depending on what these gases are this could be a problem.
The real question in my mind is how to get and keep the seawater in contact with the hot lava.
So long as there is molten rock being exposed to the surrounding seawater the seawater will find a way to make contact with it, this I can assure you. If needed we could design a machine that pealed back more crust as needed.
If a h*** is drilled into the lava, it might flow through the h***. Any hot lava contacting the seawater would cool and solidify
Solidifying molten rock is a problem. That is why land based heat mining has been so unsuccessful. As the heat from the rock is extracted the rock cools and it takes a long time for the rock to heat up again. Rock is a poor conductor of heat.
In the above example heat is not being extracted from molten rock. It is being extracted from very hot rock. There is a difference.
On the ocean floor molten rock is pushed up through the crust and directly into the seawater all the time. Here we are dealing with molten rock, not just super hot rock. And below this molten rock is more and more molten rock. As the upper layers of the molten rock makes contact with the seawater and heat is extracted the supper hot molten rock chamber below replenishes the heat. Molten rock has a much better heat conductivity than hot rock does. The only thing keeping this molten rock from bursting upwards and forming another continent is the mile high column of seawater pushing down on it.
I think this is a workable concept. And I believe that an inexpensive prototype could be built to prove its viability.
At 12:10am on September 18, 2008, German Angel said…
Until we can lift SSP, your Solar Windmill concept, or variations on that theme seem to be the best bet.
Please post a link to your company here, or in the Solar group.
Jim,
I totally agree on the investing aspect... However, in our case, we've virtually eliminated 64% of our Lender's monthly Mortgage payments ($134,000.00) and are cancelling an additional $79,000.00 in Interest. That tallies up to $213,000.00 we will be able to invest, instead paying the Bankers... Let's see... 19.4 years times 12 months, times our eliminated monthly mortgage payments, plus 10% on investments... Wow! I need a calculator... UFirst's MMA system can actually create discretionary income from existing ancillary credit/loan debt. Were paying our house off in 2/3's the time, shorten the terms on my truck payment by one year and lowered the truck payment from $307.00 to $135.00 (per month). This will assist us in being debt-free at the 10.6 years... It also drops the 6% "Fixed" Rate to an effective rate of less than 3%. My accountant feels, and will be confirming, that everything attached to the MMA should automatically become Tax Deductable since everything involved is now attaches to the Mortgage... I'll have to get back to you on that one...
As far as Energy from Wind, we live in Pennsylvania and have some pretty decent and extremely scenic "Wind Farms." Free energy (naturally produced) is good but all the sooner, all the better! I do so enjoy "Win, Win" situations! Thanks for contacting me-Joe
Jim,
You make very good points. We are working on a dual wind and solar model. Please watch our Pickens Mariah Power site for updates. Thanks for your input. Aloha, Bill
Please join our site: http://www.push.pickensplan.com/group/mariahpower
I would like to see some technical information on this.
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If you can find any use for the machine I have outlined let me say here and now you have all the rights of its conception. Do what you can to improve on its design and/or explain to me why this design could not work, OK
You have brought up some very good questions. Let me try to address each one:
“If seawater is in contact with molten rock (lava), it should get hot enough to boil when it gets far enough up the tube so that the pressure is reduced. The resulting steam would provide a flow to turn the turbine.”
This we agree on
“ What is left after the seawater boils, mostly salt, would need to be removed; I assume that is what the box with minerals is doing. “
No the lower box is collecting metals like iron, nickel and gold and other metals.
“I am not sure I understand how the minerals are pulled to the side into that box.”
The metals suspended in the super hot seawater have a greater mass than water molecules. As the metals cool they start sticking to each other clumping together. This increases the mass of the clump. Once the mass is greater than the surrounding seawater gravity will pull the metals down. Downward sloping troughs will catch the falling metals. The metals will then drift down and into the lower box.
“I am not sure I understand how the curving tube makes a difference; gases other than steam would boil out with the steam.”
The curved tube is curved because of the drawing requirements. The tube just could not be drawn to go up, around the boxes and into the turbine chamber. In an effort to make the process more understandable I drew the tube to go around the larger tube and then up into the turbine chamber. My effort to try and make the process as simple as possible seems to have failed.
“How would flammable gases be separated from other gases?”
The gases do not have to be separated. When the gases are mixed with surface air and then burned the non-flammable gases will just enter the atmosphere. Depending on what these gases are this could be a problem.
The real question in my mind is how to get and keep the seawater in contact with the hot lava.
So long as there is molten rock being exposed to the surrounding seawater the seawater will find a way to make contact with it, this I can assure you. If needed we could design a machine that pealed back more crust as needed.
If a h*** is drilled into the lava, it might flow through the h***. Any hot lava contacting the seawater would cool and solidify
Solidifying molten rock is a problem. That is why land based heat mining has been so unsuccessful. As the heat from the rock is extracted the rock cools and it takes a long time for the rock to heat up again. Rock is a poor conductor of heat.
In the above example heat is not being extracted from molten rock. It is being extracted from very hot rock. There is a difference.
On the ocean floor molten rock is pushed up through the crust and directly into the seawater all the time. Here we are dealing with molten rock, not just super hot rock. And below this molten rock is more and more molten rock. As the upper layers of the molten rock makes contact with the seawater and heat is extracted the supper hot molten rock chamber below replenishes the heat. Molten rock has a much better heat conductivity than hot rock does. The only thing keeping this molten rock from bursting upwards and forming another continent is the mile high column of seawater pushing down on it.
I think this is a workable concept. And I believe that an inexpensive prototype could be built to prove its viability.
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Please post a link to your company here, or in the Solar group.
I totally agree on the investing aspect... However, in our case, we've virtually eliminated 64% of our Lender's monthly Mortgage payments ($134,000.00) and are cancelling an additional $79,000.00 in Interest. That tallies up to $213,000.00 we will be able to invest, instead paying the Bankers... Let's see... 19.4 years times 12 months, times our eliminated monthly mortgage payments, plus 10% on investments... Wow! I need a calculator... UFirst's MMA system can actually create discretionary income from existing ancillary credit/loan debt. Were paying our house off in 2/3's the time, shorten the terms on my truck payment by one year and lowered the truck payment from $307.00 to $135.00 (per month). This will assist us in being debt-free at the 10.6 years... It also drops the 6% "Fixed" Rate to an effective rate of less than 3%. My accountant feels, and will be confirming, that everything attached to the MMA should automatically become Tax Deductable since everything involved is now attaches to the Mortgage... I'll have to get back to you on that one...
As far as Energy from Wind, we live in Pennsylvania and have some pretty decent and extremely scenic "Wind Farms." Free energy (naturally produced) is good but all the sooner, all the better! I do so enjoy "Win, Win" situations! Thanks for contacting me-Joe
You make very good points. We are working on a dual wind and solar model. Please watch our Pickens Mariah Power site for updates. Thanks for your input. Aloha, Bill
Please join our site: http://www.push.pickensplan.com/group/mariahpower
Joint the group Paradigm Shift Institute, a proposed nonprofit organization dedicated to education, innovation, entrepeneurship, and meeting national and global challenges.
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