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Are you interested in becoming an organizer in your area?
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Tell us about your experience with alternative energy:
I am working on a program to get EPA kit approvals and convert vehicles to cng.
An EPA Proposal to Bring the USA closer to Energy Independence.


Fail Safe Program

The Natural Gas Industry is seriously concerned about emissions and safely installed CNG kits.

This plan works for both EPA and qualified trained installers.

The State Inspection Program.

EPA isn't going to just roll over under political pressure. We must have a plan that works for EPA and the CNG Installer.
Solution
Proposal:
A) Bi-Fuel System Fail Safe System. (Readiness Test)
When any sensor for the OBD ll shows a malfunction on the CNG system it may be programmed to switch back to Petrol. The operator can then return to have an approved service center make the repair.
B) Problem:
There are very few EPA Labs in the USA that can approve CNG Kits. If we are to have success with many conversions their labs will have years of backlogs.
This becomes a log jam for the solution to our energy crisis.
Solution:
Take the burden off EPA for approval of all CNG Conversion Kits. EPA does not have enough testing centers to take on the flood of kits that will come into the market once the public understands this energy solution.
In addition to the tail pipe testing the following test should be applied to CNG Vehicles.
Each state adds additional computer testing equipment to the State Emission Test Centers. NOTE: (If a state or county does not have a current emission test it would perform the OBDll Test during a safety inspection.) This is to test the OBD ll CNG System. to see that all 5 test points are functioning properly. If one sensor is off then it is back to the repair center to find the solution and fix it. The OBD ll will focus on monitoring the: Catalyst, misfire, oxygen sensor, evap (if present) EGR ( if preesnt), comprehensive components, and fuel contro.
Similar to what is done now by EPA. If the vehicle passes the test and does not set any codes, then it proves the CNG System for that vehicle was installed properly and is functioning properly.
In the case of a bi-fuel CNG system most catalytic converters will not function properly with a cold start.

The inspection also includes a safety check for proper tank fittings and connections following AFPA-52. A letter from the install center showing that they have had proper training from the kit provider and have a state approved center.

The Fail Safe for clean and safe operation is programmed by the software to cause the system to switch back to petrol (auto gas) from CNG at any time a sensor indicates a malfunction.

This program opens a greater amount of supply of conversion kits to Americans installed by safe and trained centers. This will slow down and stop the improperly installed and unsafe CNG Kits.

EPA Lab testing of OBD Systems is as follows:
Tailpipe and evap testing
Checks OBD system with generic scan tool
Check monitor readiness
Records codes and pending codes
With engine running, check for MIL
(MAP, O2, MAF, Spark plug)
May use simulators on dynamo meter test to check for emission exceeding of 1.5X stds.

This reduces the work load of EPA and puts the testing where it should be on the state level with EPA guidelines and requirements.


In summary, Require State Safety Inspection on CSA/NFPA-5 guidelines with a PASS/FAIL
If the Vehicle can pass a CNG test with CNG test equipment then it is no different than it would be after going though an EPA lab and passing the same test. This also saves dollars for EPA, end user, and developer.

Tax Benefits:
Until we have enough CNG fueling infrastructure in the USA we should encourage tax benefits for Bi-fuel vehicles. Dedicated CNG Vehicles are mostly fleet operations and does little for most Americans.

The savings for the consumer is considerable. This encourages Americans to spend money on energy from America and not foreign oil.
What excites you about this campaign?
Let wake up Americans and get the politial people to move in the right direction.
What do you want to do to help?
educate America

THE SAVINGS with Compressed Natural Gas (CNG)

The cost of a gallon of CNG in the state of Utah is less than $.85 at the pump. Gasoline has gone well over $4.00 per gallon. By switching to natural gas, an individual who drives more than 20,000 miles a year will save over $6,300 a year, based on today’s prices. An adjunct of CNG Energy’s program will be to provide compressors to people who use natural gas in their own homes. This will make it possible for them to refill the automobile or truck’s fuel tanks at home, overnight, enhancing the savings and convenience to the consumer.

If an automobile gets 20 miles per gallon of gasoline, it will get 18 miles per gallon of CNG or better if the software is in harmony with the engine codes and requirements. Few kits have this ability.

Escalating fuel prices have driven up the cost of food and devalued rural or suburban housing. All goods and services reliant on transportation are experiencing significant inflation. The power boating and motor home industries are in the tank (both types of vehicles can be converted to CNG). The current Recession is being “fueled” by oil speculators and increasing demands for oil from China and India.



IT WORKS IN OTHER COUNTRIES Why not in the USA?

Worldwide, there are about 7.5 million vehicles running on CNG. European nations and India are well ahead of the US in converting to CNG automobiles and trucks. Pakistan now has 1.21 million CNG vehicles on their roads, while Argentina has 1.243 million and Brazil has 1.315 million vehicles that have been converted to CNG. These countries do not rely on foreign oil. The US has only 150,000 vehicles running on natural gas.


CONVERSION KITS for CNG ALREADY EXIST

The technology for conversions already exists and has been proven safe, reliable and cost effective. Discussions about the future development of hydrogen or electric power are way off in the future and will not retrofit to existing automobiles in this country. There are tens of millions of automobiles, trucks and boats in this country that can be converted today, substantially reducing or eliminating our dependency on foreign oil. Every conversion that occurs, is a step that reduces foreign oil dependency, cleans up the environment and averts global warming.


CNG MORE FAVORABLE EMISSIONS

Once converted, an automobile or truck that burns gasoline will reduce exhaust emissions of:
Benzene by 99% when compared to gasoline and 97% when compared to diesel,
Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) go down more than 60 – 90% when compared to gasoline
and more than 50% when compared to diesel,
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is reduced by 30 – 40% compared to gasoline and 10%
compared to diesel,
Carbon Monoxide (CO) falls by more that 90% compared to gasoline and diesel,
Lead and Sulfur emission drop 100% compared to gasoline and diesel,
Non-methane hydrocarbons fall by 50 – 75% compared to gasoline,
Smoke and particulate matter fall up to 90% when compared to diesel.

Automobiles, trucks and boats powered by CNG leave a significantly lighter carbon footprint.

When evaluated from the standpoint of carbon, natural gas is the lowest of all fossil fuels based on units of energy. This results in lower carbon dioxide emissions per vehicle mile driven. While Natural Gas Vehicles (NGV) emit methane, another greenhouse gas, any slight increase in methane emissions would be more than offset by a substantial reduction in the CO2 and CO produced by other fuels.

If spilled, natural gas will not foul the earth below it or wash up on beaches, taking out wildlife in the process. It simply dissipates into the atmosphere.


WHY THE USA LAGS OTHER NATIONS IN CNG CONVERSIONS

In the 1980’s CNG conversions were taking place all over the United States and there were few restrictions. Unfortunately, many of the systems, which were imported from foreign countries, did not work. That’s because the conversion kits being imported from other countries were designed for 2-litre engines, a common size in other countries. Those kits malfunctioned when attached to the larger engines typical in our big sedans, SUVs and trucks.

Consequently, in many cases, polluting emissions were not improved due to improper installation, engine failures, or a miss-match between the kit and the engine size. The EPA then passed a rule that all kits, for each engine type must meet EPA testing guidelines prior to approval. The testing requires lab work, time, and fees.. No other country in the world has such burdensome restrictions…not even close. Anyone who installs a conversion kit not approved by the EPA is subject to very stiff fines..
My suggestion for EPA is:
1.Have States setup a number of CNG inspection stations that can comply with OBD ll inspections. This requires more testing of the system than a normal emissons inspection.
2. If the vehicle passes this inspection and emissions are as clean if not cleaner than what is required, then the vehicle is good to go.
This process would require the kit manufacture to do their own testing and development to be sure that the vehicle will pass the requied checks. This shifts the efforts of approvals to those that have the technology and labs to be able to move ahead more quickly. The kit is as good as if it had gone through extensive EPA processes.
This could save 50% of the current kit approval reqirements and open more develpment labs in the USA.

The companies that have won EPA approval have literally invested millions of dollars over the years to have their products approved. They are not anxious to have EPA relax its guidelines and devalue their investments. So they have a corner on the market.

THE BENFITS OF DRIVING WITH CNG

1. It will reduce and eventually eliminate America’s dependency on foreign oil.
2. CNG will reduce urban smog.
3. It’s safe and lighter-than-air. CNG is non-toxic and disperses quickly.
4. It has a higher ignition temperature than gasoline, which reduces the chance of accidental ignition.
5. It is cost effective, running about ¼ the current price of gasoline.
6. CNG burns cleaner, producing lower levels of harmful pollutants, like CO2 or CO.
7. CNG contains no particulates like diesel fuel.
8. Engine maintenance costs are reduced by extending time between oil changes CNG burns much cleaner than gasoline or diesel.
9. Readily available. There are currently the number of homes with natural gas runs in the millions. They all could have home fuel units for their vehicles.
10. It’s possible to produce a hydrogen-CNG blended fuel.
11. Natural gas is piped directly into fueling stations, eliminating transportation costs and delivery schedules. Cars refueling at home eliminate the costs of driving to a filling station.
12. CNG is cheaper than hydrogen, which currently costs over $8.00/gallon.

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At 10:50am on January 20, 2009, younkin said…
Hi Joshua, this is Jim Younkin, I too am in Pickens Plan, check out my home page.
younkincng.com
At 1:52pm on September 26, 2008, Joshua Foss said…
Yes please use this. What part of FL are you in?
At 12:11pm on September 26, 2008, Bill Tucker said…
Joshua,
I like your proposal. This is what I intend to do with your permission, I am going to cut & paste what you have sent me and send it to not only the governor of Florida and my state representives but also to my U.S. Congressman House & Senate as well as any candidates for the offices, I will also encourage my people here to do the same.
Please let me know as soon as possible if this is agreeable to you.

Thanks,
Bill
At 11:09am on August 2, 2008, Randall Johnson said…
Joshua -

As you probably already know, we're holding our first Utah chapter meeting this coming thursday evening at the capitol building. You have provided some excellent information to the gorup in the past and I'd like to especially invite you to the meeting. There will be some legislators present and hopefully someone from the governor's office. Representative Brad Daw will be there and his interest is in changing or challenging the EPA regulations around CNG conversion kits.

I hope you will be able to attend.

Best Regards,
Randall Johnson
Pleasant Grove
At 6:03pm on July 14, 2008, Joshua Foss said…
John, Currently, EPA approvals are for a complete system which includes the tank. This is very limiting and wrong. There are companies like BAF that have spent millions of dollars to get EPA approval of certain kits. The whole kit. They are not in favor of EPA relaxing their approal process. They don't want to loose their investment.
There are many products available which are currently being used in other countries. We need to move in this direction. Kits today are for a year and model of engine type..
Regards Josh
At 4:16pm on July 14, 2008, Joshua Foss said…
John, EPA does not have the Tocama approved. They charge $250,000 for each conversion after a 100,000 mileroad test. How bad is that? This is why we are pushing EPA to relax their costly approval program. It may have to come from congress.
At 8:47pm on July 13, 2008, Kristos kalemanis said…
Nice Joshua just the man we need aboard - we need to get your business booming - ASAP
how far along are you can you start conversions now and if so how much is the average cost right now.
Have you looked at suppliers for the tanks?
At 10:41pm on July 11, 2008, HJM said…
Joshua,
What's cng? Good luck with your conversion and education programs!
Regards,
Hans J Matter
 
 

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