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Like the psychiatrist said to the test subject in the sphere... go pee in the corner.
September 20
... Not that I was invited to this conversation, but it is a slow Saturday... Personally, I would hope that communication of political objectives are presented as the primary reason for involvement in mass audiences. Kings create war, and the com...
August 30
Larry, I can't really fault the human instinct for "more", in its basic involvement. We should want "all the above;, this, that, and the other thing" if we are to keep the momentum moving to have enough extra to boost the rest of the world through...
August 12
Just a separate concept, that I have found in my "explorations". Maybe you can use some part of it... A house interior has a lot of significant thermal mass. The trick is to cool/warm that mass at a time when the energy temperature is available. ...
August 11
Sorry about the delay in posting. A lot has been presented since. I think there is -some- good news on the energy fronts, in that GM;,... FINNALY.. released their concept of a electric motor prime driven car. Hopefully it is enough of a shot acro...
August 11
Using this thread to post teck info may be a bit crass, but it does keep the info moving around. I would suggest links preferred though. May be I could get a trade on some info on this post...; I am looking for a good post 2000, consumer reports...
August 8
"One thing I know is that if it has merit someone will steal it if you air to much of it." They might, and it could be an advantage (Merlin turned into a flu, and the oponent "caught" him), I am more concerned here about how much -close to exact-...
August 6
Well, Will, I will, Will, But I still, Will, would not suggest that anything more than 3' dia. composite forms be used, unless the form is a part of the completed structure (molded into the frame, with no reused mold to deal with). Since my proto...
August 5
I prefer;, "Ridden out of town on a rail" ,>/
August 4
(I believe the pics of the system are on the second page by now)
August 4
Not to knock composite materials, but have you ever worked with them, 8 hrs a day, for weeks on end? I would prefer to keep these types of practices to 3' dia., preformed, bolt on shapes or smaller. It is a real tendancey to create the future swea...
August 4
...and then there are something like these (if you have some meck skill; not for every one, see you in the junk yard...;>
August 2

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At 2:07pm on January 30, 2009, Monte Smith said…
Kevin,

Please come join us at the SEE Super Energy Efficient Housing for Existing and New Homes Group.

Thanks.

Monte
At 12:48pm on January 25, 2009, Kevin Espeseth said…
Not a big fan of the pneumatic drive car, but the lack of heat loss (in energy conversion efficiancy) could be something applicable in some other format...
At 1:20pm on January 16, 2009, H. RONALD (RON) HARTMAN said…
Welcome to the Energy Party - the next fiasco due to hit our shores is the abortion of the introduction of the Air Car by Tata/ZPM/MDI that Big Oil and the big boys will all try like hell to make unacceptable as it runs on air up to 35mph and then with an auxiliary motor can deliver 100+/mpg on an 8 gallon tank = an 800 mile cruising range - nonstop ftrom Chicago to Atlanta!!!
At 1:24am on October 28, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…
"Jacq", I hate to say, some tired old line about your perspective on this, but when these kind of problems present themselves, "GO BACK TO SCHOOL"!

If the "off the shelf" / "remove from box and bolt on" systems that the banking structure will allow advertised on the open market won't do it for you, look into some the more definition objective / unadvertised, unprofitable if sold to retail customers, systems that can do the job.

As an example:

One of the highest priced components on a wind system is the phase match inverter (to convert generated electricity to line acceptable format). The actually generators don't -necessarily- have to cost that much, and moderate efficiency deep cell batteries can take up the slack/surge, to reduce the size (and cost) of said inverter.

This means, that you can have 10 - 2HP [1 HP = 1KW for all intent] (peak wind speed) generators feeding a bank of storage batteries, with any excess being diverted into heat (for water), and only require 2 HP worth of inverter (to match the capacity of the wire and transformer into the property), and still supply all the energy necessary for your home without spending anywhere near the price of what -most of- the commercial suppliers say you need. More than that, these components can be added as money becomes available, starting with a single 2HP wind generator (possibly made yourself) and DC storage, to a audio amp type AC conversion circuit, separate from the line voltage.

Anyway, most of the efficiency, for a residential system, will be in climate control. I would suggest that you invest in insulation / solar deflection (in the south) and water heat collection and storage to start, until we can actually get the "Free trade for CLEAN energy (@ $.05/KWH) to encourage people to build the systems for people like you in an environment that they can actually make a profit in doing so ... so they will do so...
At 8:11pm on October 27, 2008, Jacqueline said…
Kevin - thank you for sharing on my page. Through Picken's Plan website, I'm looking for concrete solutions that lead to cost-effective plans that the average home owner can install for renewable energy. There have been some great invention videos here - but when I check, for instance in a 3.7KW wind generator - priced around $12 -15K - most average income citizens (especially now) don't have that available cash to move forward. Add to that the county's requirement to pay a permit fee that adds to the cost of $800 to $1500 depending on the county - it is all such a deterrent. CIGS technology for solar is bringing the per watt cost down from $3/watt to $1/watt... we are walking in the right direction, but there is (yet) to be an economical "one-stop" shop where we can buy affordable solar & wind units. Will keep an eye on your blog for any progress...
At 11:33am on October 27, 2008, ML Hayes said…
You are on the right track. Export isn't the proper first objective. Domestic production may be closer than you think. Please, go to my page and used the out-of-band URL to contact me. I am already engaged in such activities, but it isn't appropriate to the Pickens Plan to discuss it here.

Thanks,

MLH
At 8:05pm on October 26, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…
Thanks for your response on the blog. One of my primary complications on this concept is actually getting the information to people that can actually do something with it. As the primary credo for the CIA states; "control of the communication is the first step in control of the country".

Commercialization for export is a long term objective for this, and being able to produce as many of the subassemblies as possible would be in everyone's interest, but (as far as economical exportation is involved) just being able to stuff the necessary stock material in the container (i.e. "cut to lengths", etc.), with adequate equipment (generator, welder, circular saw w/metal blades) and instructions to complete the job, would be plenty to start the export business with.

The more important focus (to me, at this point) is to make aware the -real- potential market of this concept to the most effective sources of communication distribution. The only way to create such a market, is to allow the people that the product is sold to, to make money from the investment -in a secure manner- (a 21 st century "Homestead Act" if you will).

"Carpet bombing the developing countries with -clean- energy production housing" is a great, grand concept, (with all that that implies), but in order for this to work, they are going to need a fair price for the energy they generate, to continue to produce the product, to expand the market )for the "production" facilities).

We can't even remove the economic terrorism within the united states, to allow this concept to be developed. How are we going to be able to export the product? Although long term involvement with the distribution of this individual level of development (with communication, education and clean water as a automatic part of it) would require some sort of PRO-ACTIVE population control, a responsible regulatory structure (profitable economics @ a fair price of $.05/KWH) has to be in place for it to be able to develop at all.

As for me, I can -probably- build this home on my own, with just the monthly social security check (as it does not specify an apartment address for it to be sent to), but that doesn't really show much integrity, or depth of intelligence for our "great society", (if this is as far as it is allowed to expand), does it?
At 7:10pm on October 26, 2008, ML Hayes said…
Kevin,
If I read this right, you are looking for a means of commercializing this concept for export. The complete list of components and pricing would need to be provided and the rest of this construction could be accoplished w\SIP panels that are per-engineered and interlocking.

Size the design to 4'X8' average WxL and 4" thick Support-In-Place sandwich panels that can be made by any of thousands of producers and shop the design for the best vendors.

Once you have quotes from every quadrant of the nation, you can coordinate your marketing to match various regions of the nation. The SIPs can be skinned to meet the esthetics of the region and the interiorscan be pre-finished with the acceptable materials of choice.

The technology that goes into septic systems, solar systems and water treatment\recycle and purification systems will cost more than the structure to house them. So you will want to use patented technology that has passed the UL Codes and offers warranties to offset the liability of do-it-yourself systems.

Wind power in rural communities isn't an issue, but the real money is in urban settings where the esthetics of the propeller monsters just won't cut the mustard. Vertical turbines are more pratical and functional.

Hit me back with your thoughts.
At 1:44am on October 21, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…
And we're off...
At 1:44am on October 21, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…
As stated in the first few entries on this concept, a lot of residential locations are not served well by a typical septic system. If all the septic system is for is to handle garbage disposal and fecal waste, then a composting toilet with a garden compost location is all that is required (at least to start). With this application, the water driven septic system can be added later easily from the crawl space access.

This can reduce the initial cost and complication of the initial sight development significantly (especially if the lot will not pass a perk test for the septic leach lines. In mountainous areas, (where the wind is prevalent, and land cheap), this can be a common problem. However these locations will also have a tendency for -lack of- water availability. So, water conservation would be enough of a priority to install a (later option) gray water system as the one shown here. Not real complicated, just plumb the sinks/ cloths washer to a storage location with overflow to a garden, install an extra storage tank on the roof, with a additional valve to mix the water in the shower as required. (Don't pee in the tub!) Another option is to run the gray water into the washing machine (only) form the collection tub on the roof. Season to taste;}...
At 1:22am on October 21, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…

At 1:19am on October 21, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…
Here we have the basic schematic for all the pressurized plumbing in the concept. One of the new developments in the past few years is "PEX" tube. It can be used for a wide range of applications, and thus makes a number of energy involvements very cost effective now, so fewer (duplicated function) parts are required.

The primary objective of the heat circulation (and storage) system is to pull the temperature requirement from the closest temperature equivalent, and move that to the location required. It could use a heat pump in a similar configuration, for higher temperature heat results, but that should be unnecessary, cost more to operate, be more difficult/expensive to install, and (with additional electrical power being sold to the utility company) can use electrical spot heater/air conditioning units for more demanding conditions.

This configuration is designed for warmer climates (with a well insulated home), but only slight modifications in size of certain components would be required for adoption in cooler climates as well. Basically, as long as there is a valve open (V1, V2, V3) the circulation pump (P) is on. This system uses city (potable) water input at location (I) to provide fluid for the system to operate. Depending on the climate location, freeze is countered by keeping a small circulation moving through those locations to prevent pipe burst.

I - city water in
V1 - roof heat exchanger (heat & cool) control
V2 - climate control valve
V3 - ground source (cool mostly) control
C - low temperature storage (opens valve required when temp @ C </> collection points
A1 - air circulation (under sub floor, controlled by fan indicated, -temp., evap., moisture control-)
A - room(s) air circulation / filtration climate control)
F - radiant heat (floor and wall radiation)
S - optional large water insulated storage (circulation pool, see last post on homes)
R - roof mount heat exchangers (under glass in winter, sprayed with water mist at night in summer)
W - Hot water storage tank
E - (electrical water heater on timer) (tank C may also have lower temp. set electrical heat)
B - Pea gravel ground temperature source (also used to circulate anti pipe burst water flow)
M - cool water misting system(s); to cool roof radiators, and pea gravel water evap. under sub floor
H - potable hot water out

I can answer questions if this all seems confusing, mostly, for it to work well, you would want large collection and distribution areas at these temperatures. Don't be cheap on the "PEX".
At 12:37am on October 21, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…

At 5:49am on October 20, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…
(See next post)... "Temporary" d*nm automatic spell check, etc....
At 5:45am on October 20, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…
If you want to find out what this reminds you of (and potential side effects, for the entire planet), look under "The Homestead Act", in the US, in the 19 th century.

OK, here it is, a low cost, substantial home construction system, that can be built -reliably- by a hobbyist with -only- some experience and supervision. Basic startup cost breakdown:

$5 K - land
$2 K - 1 20' container
$2 K - Electrical service
$2 K - water service
$2 K - Non-septic toilet
$2 K - plumbing, sink, tools, 4" x 4" structural tube, etc...

= aprox. $15 K to get started...

That leaves you $15 K for the second container, floor trusses, roof trusses, insulation, and fixtures (next illustration).

The good news... You don't have to spend it all at once. You can set a container on the land, use it for secure storage, and work on the development as time and money allow. All your material will be stored in a big metal box, and most of the long term storage (at start up) will be low value material! Heck, depending on the location, you can even LIVE in the box during construction, and spend the "rent" money on the materials required for construction! At $500/mth., that means 1 year's rent can put a "start up" on your existing property.

The foundation supports are 4 x 4 steel tube set into the ground a 8' on c/L, with a horizontal tube under the side wall of the container(s), extended to the dimension of the deck. A standard truss system is then bridged across this frame. The vertical 4 x 4 may need to have a 1' sq plate welded onto the bottom and set into cement, depending on the ground condition, as well as spacing at 4' on c/L under the horizontal tube. You will need to find an engineer for this (standard stuff, find a university student). A "Bobcat with a hole bore attachment can drill the hole in one day, and the verticals can be welded on the horizontal tube to wait for the inspection.

Once the foundation is set in concrete, the 1st container can be placed. It should slide on the horizontal frame with little problem for, then, final alignment to square to other framework. At this point, you can have the utility company place a "Templar, construction meter on the final panel location inside the container. Water can be set to the primary access point for the home as well. All plumbing and wiring can be done as available later. With a "non septic" toilet system (approved for code), it now possible to live on the property (if legal in that area) during construction. The floor truss system should be held off on until the pex tube is placed under the pea gravel water evap. cooling system and enough time and money is available to waterproof the sub floor (either temporarily or by roof and wall installation).

The previous entries (to be added later at this point) will have described how this system can work, safely, and reliably. Also, some ground conditions (mountains, rock, with no percolation value) will not allow septic systems to be placed on the property in any case, and a low water use design is a good idea to develop in this population sensitive environment. These containers also provide a good work condition for the roof truss installation (next illustration).
At 4:55am on October 20, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…

At 4:53am on October 20, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…
Here you see the "enclosure" of the building. Again, I suppose you can save some money if you are a real good design engineer and not include the 4" x 4" structural steel tube (on the top of the containers, but the construction is so much easier if they are included. Besides, they add optional "hard points" for later addition of optional construction objectives, add 4 extra inches of head room in the center section, and they don't cost very much. Also, you don't have to place 10' vertical posts on the deck area for the initial floor foundation. These posts can be welded on to the foundation posts after the sub floor is installed.

The sub floor is nothing special. Just use good material, and keep it dry until the area is finalized. You may want to use a cement product -if available- with a ceramic living room floor for the passive solar properties. I would also recommend that you use a expanded foam insulation / vapor barrier under the sub floor. This location for that application saves a lot of head aches as well.

The roof truss system can be metal of wood, whatever is available in your area. Keep in mind, that the "thicker" the roof/truss system is, the more room there is for insulation. You don't want to skimp here! You will notice it hangs over to on side. This is to shield the sun in the summer, and collect it in the winter through the 16', double sliding patio door, assembly (in later pictures).

As for the other side of the house, between the containers, the 12' sections cut from the (now) inner walls of the containers are welded to the "West wall" frame, painted (along with the rest of the outer walls) with synthetic stucco (for moisture protection), -and in some areas layered a second time with tar based water proofing-, then back filled with a pea gravel (again if available) for low maintenance, and additional, cheap thermal insulation. You will have about 8' of container side left over (depending on your floor plan). This can be used for a carport cover and block the sun from the southwest side wall of the building.

If the following wasn't done in a secure factory sight, before being shipped to the construction location... I would recommend using a 2" x 3" steel stud frame on the inner walls of the "inner most" points on the "ripple" of the container shape, and foam the space after the rough in inspection is complete. The interior cost is up to how much you want to spend for fixtures. Run cat-5 from the central low voltage panel location, to locations above all the electrical switches and use the switches to -mostly- controlled plugs. This will allow the later installation of a number of low voltage con troll systems for energy, communication, and security options later. Coax cable should only have to be placed to about a 1/2 dozen locations (if that). Also, keep in mind, that this design will allow very little / low complication, vacuum tube to be required to be installed to have a nice option later as well. The container ceilings do not necessarily have to have any work but paint, as the insulation is in the truss assembly on top of the container. That can save some back/ceiling drywall trouble....

Total cost to this point about $30 K, depending on the land cost.
At 4:03am on October 20, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…

At 4:00am on October 20, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…
OK, here is the minimum required amount of construction to be able to (legally) live on the construction sight. The level where you would be issued a certificate of construction. The total sq. ft. is about equal to a 12' x 60' mobile home. The cost to this point should be around $40 K, but be aware, "your mileage may vary".

The black area on the roof is the heat exchanger for the winter heat collection during the afternoon, and the cool storage collection (with possible help from water misting) during the summer from 2 AM to 6 AM. Since 80 % of your energy cost is for climate control, it would -usually be silly to convert solar into PV electricity, then back to temperature regulation, from electricity, again. The only drawback to this system is that you have to go up on the roof twice a year to cover / remove the -recycled- patio slider door glass covers on top of the heat exchangers (currently selling for about $75 for a 3' x 7' heat treated double pane panel, -used-).

At this point, you can start saving your money for the septic tank and leach lines (presuming that the land will support the drainage), and/or solar/wind equipment to start receiving money from your local utility.
At 3:44am on October 20, 2008, Kevin Espeseth said…

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Tell us about your experience with alternative energy:
Basically, if a person can get a (reasonably) guaranteed price of $.05 / KWH for energy that they generate, (20 HP @ $.05 = $1,500/mth per home, & $7,000,000/mth per 5,000 homes, for watching the windmills go round) then people can profit in finding ways to make the machinery to do so.

Once that is done, 20 HP energy generation (that results in $1,500 / month in return) will allow banks to be comfortable in lending the money for the solar-home / car-convertors (whatever) that do this. With a car payment of $300, and a mortgage payment of $800 (possibly distributed automatically), that still leaves $300 for taxes, and insurance, and food. All this without being any burden on the State.The figures are ballpark, but I would expect the banks to adjust the levels to provide a better level of food / personal income for the kind of return this represents.
To this end, I personally built a prototype home from the pre-installed equipment cargo containers, that this machinery could be installed into, and shipped anywhere, to test compatibility of the theory.
What excites you about this campaign?
Potential of restabilization of the americian (and world) economic structure (away from the current trend to fudalisum).
What do you want to do to help?
I would like to find someone (IN EACH UTILITY COMPLEX) to -pro bono- sue these bastards for the right to sell CLEAN energy to my local factories, -at a retail rate-, useing the grid as a service provider, for the reason of betrayal of the public trust!
Its not that I don't agree with Picken's Plan, but it glosses over how we got here in the first place. Too much centralized , non-specific objective for the benefit of the control structure (regardless). I think we would do better with the wind resource conversion by local more available recovery, 5 HP wind conversion (on freeway lights sized posts, collapsible to ground for servicing) x 5-10 machines each (for benefit specially of small farms) as opposed to large 10 story "Clipper Ships" that are more difficult to accept, develop service, and profit (monetarily) only a very few.

Free housing = -negative- carbon footprint ; yes it is profitable...*

Free Trade for CLEAN Energy = $1,500 income per home ($.05 / KWH) each month!
Isn't -accurate- free trade a right in a healthy community?

What other free society foundation definitions have been marginalized in the past 50 years?

Basically, if a person can get a (reasonably) guaranteed price of $.05 / KWH for energy that they generate, (20 HP @ $.05 = $1,500/mth per home, & $7,000,000/mth per 5,000 homes, for watching the windmills go round) then people can profit in finding ways to make the machinery to do so.

Once that is done, 20 HP energy generation (that results in $1,500 / month in return) will allow banks to be comfortable in lending the money for the solar-home / car-convertors (whatever) that do this. With a car payment of $300, and a mortgage payment of $800 (possibly distributed automatically), that still leaves $300 for taxes, and insurance, and food. All this without being any burden on the State.The figures are ballpark, but I would expect the banks to adjust the levels to provide a better level of food / personal income for the kind of return this represents.

* One example:

The LP gas utility increases production of thawing methane resources to capture the gas before it can escape to the atmosphere. It sells the gas to the home owner who can turn the gas into heat and electricity for the home, (plus 2 HP constant extra), using a auto engine equipped with an extra catalytic converter that turns the carbon dioxide into calcium carbonate (this is effective for this range of engine conversion size to 40(?) HP constant). for a check from the utility company of $150 each month (about the cost of the LP gas bill, plus that much more for the pocket). -No changes required to utility infrastructure, and the utility doesn't have to build, man, or maintain the energy generation source; they become a _more profitable_ broker.-

If larger generation capacity is wanted, (20 HP for $1,500 return), a larger monthly connection fee is billed the location, for the upgrade in the wire, equipment, and transformer size, and the LP gas bill would be about $750, with a balance of $700 for profit each month. Any windmills or solar would result in reducing the LP gas bill, making small farms more secure in growing food/energy crops instead of some of the crap they now -have to- sell.
Once that is done, 20 HP energy generation (that results in $1,500 / month in return) will allow banks to be comfortable in lending the money for the solar-home / car-convertors (whatever) that do this. With a car payment of $300, and a mortgage payment of $800 (possibly distributed automatically), that still leaves $300 for taxes, and insurance, and food. All this without being any burden on the State.The figures are ballpark, but I would expect the banks to adjust the levels to provide a better level of food / personal income for the kind of return this represents.

More than that; correct type of homes built / upgraded get more jobs, in the local area. Energy costs for manufacturing and transportation go down -and remain low-. Labor benefits improve for workers, because they don't need a job , absolutely, right away, and small business will have more money to move around.

Free home, security, transportation, food, and insurance,... and all a person has to do is sign a paper (and maybe get a vasectomy in the dangerously over populated parts of the world).
edit. note.;)

I got ya beat, I moved to New Mexico, expecting the government to be responsible an move in a direction of efficient home construction, energy wise. Boy was I dumb.

I built a energy efficient prototype home (for my retirement) out of used ocean cargo shipping containers, (to be able to export constructed American -MATERIAL- and energy/water machinery to anywhere in the world) as the primary structural element. After rebuilding some mistakes, and living off my saving for 7 years, I had to sell the project short, because the local finance company would only refinance the house if I put it up for sale, not for equity refi.

Still. The cost of a Bachelor Degree would be about the same (if they taught the kind of things I learned there) and that house will (in some form) be out there for the next 1,000 years, long after any of the results of these "management" will have long gone by the wind, and from what I learned, I can construct a self sufficient home on some property I have now for about $20,000 (to be earned in the next 5-10? years).


Point being, You get out what you put into it....

To that end, I will be posting (in the next week or so) how to build one of these homes, with the new information I learned from the process, for -about- $20,000 (plus land, connection fees, energy equipment, and similar options). POSSIBLY, NO FINANCING REQUIRED! Pay as you go, with on-sight security as part of the construction.

It seems that the pictures posting, on the Picken's Plan website isn't very "user freindly". So, here are some pics of the existing construction to give you an idea of the competed prodject(s).





I would expect a lot of changes happening before anything like my particular concepts are promoted on any vast scale, but let's get the stuff moving. "copy share, repeat". Then, get your friends together and sue the local utility for the right to sell CLEAN energy on the free -retail- market price (minus any "handling/ISP" charges that the utility company seems it can't do without).

As for the small, farm owned "off the shelf", 5 HP windmills; they may even provide enough protection from crop loss from birds/deer, in the form of a high tech strobe/anti avoidance sound scarecrow, to pay for themselves in that way alone in a couple of areas. ;").

So, what does home construction have to do with wind energy generation, and the picken's plan? GLOBALIZATION If small energy independent machinery can be sent to the "third world" in configurations that will allow the 'investors' to live on sight to make sure the machinery keeps working, the better off we all are. (in more ways than I care to list here)

OH;BTW
1 / the posting about the home will now have been moved to the second (or third) page by now, due to responce, and
2 / Please excuse Robert Ware's statements here, they are left on the blog as an example of an inadequate and short sighted thought process.
 
 

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