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- Are you interested in becoming an organizer in your area?
- Maybe--But Not Sure What to Organize
- Tell us about your experience with alternative energy:
- Built and leased solar powered highway signs. Manufactured semiconductors and I have studied most energy sources for many years.
- What excites you about this campaign?
- America is under attack and the Leaders are all hiding in some GREEN bunker. We must have a National emergency energy production program to produce more energy from every source. The goal unlike your's is to be 100% energy independent in 5 to 8 years. This is doable as we won WWII in less than that.
"DO IT ALL AND DO IT NOW !!"
- What do you want to do to help?
- Write, speak, chase politicians what ever it takes.
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through the Energy Party we have begun a data base, and hope to provide information for those small businesses and individuals who will make their homes and business energy self sufficient. I know you and others would be welcomed resources! check it out on the groups list on my page if you would be interested
thanks again for all you are doing for the PP
tracy
Your emails are the BEST! Good luck on here.
T.
http://push.pickensplan.com/forum/topic/show?id=2187034%3ATopic%3A1432048
I actually understand the the carbon cycle very well. I was a Double major at the University of Washington. Anthropology and Fisheries. I have a lot of ecology and chemistry in my course load.
Just because someone had letters or got degrees does not mean that they have the integrity you would want from a scientist.
Have you read the long string of reports from the IPCC? I have. Not only that but I have also read many other well supported, well cross referenced studies on GHG an global warming. I have also read several books and papers on peak oil and other natural resources. I understand these issues on many different levels. That is why I am here.This is a topic I have been interested in for decades.
Since the vast majority of the scientist who are involved with climatology and palaeoclimatology, agree that he problem is real and the small number who do not receive money from the oil and coal interest, I seriously doubt the validity of the research you have suggested.
So having said that, I read all sides of issues before I make up my opinion on an issue. I really do not have the time to deal with this old tiered discussion.
I wish you the best of luck on helping the Pickens plan from what ever perspective you are supporting it. From my perspective, ever moment I am discussing these side issues are moments I am not working on a solution. So, please, save your energy and focus on pushing the pickens plan.
dan
I agree we do have cheap energy if you look at KWH cost. We have cheaper then most gas cost.
However, I think you are misleading in your statement about "retiring debt" and that credit card debt is going down. I have seen too much information to even give a hint of belief to that statement.
I go agree with you regarding moving in the direction of massively increasing the amount of electricity being generated. But I think I believe it for a different reason then you. My reason is that when the oil is gone, and it will be gone, we will need a massive amount of energy to replace all the "free" energy that the global oil cartel has been sucking out of the ground.I do not believe you have any idea how much we are dependent on it.
I also think it is wasteful to burn it for personal transportation. It has entirely too many important other uses. Do a little research on organic chemistry, where it touches your life then look at how most of all the organic base chemicals, that almost ALL of that organic chemistry is dependent on oil and coal. Burning it instead of using it is wrong.
Finally, you are also very dismissive of the potential of a environmental effect of our actions. On this, well you are wrong. You are obviously choosing to not look at a enormous body of research in favor of a small amount of barely honest science. To draw a parallel, I would ask you if Cigarettes cause lung cancer? This is exactly the same model of denial with industry funded research.
So, I would just like to say that I have tried to have a educated conversation with you. I was hoping for something other then talking points but I don't seam to be able to get you to actually do this for me. Good luck.
Again, as in my initial request, we are working very hard to keep this discussion on topic with no, or little partisain bickering. For the Pickens plan to work it will require both sides of the political spectrum. So far, that is what is happening here. I work with people on all sides to accomplish this goal. I would ask you to tone down the desisive nature of your postings. Work with others rather then starting flame wars. Work to push the pickens plan through national, state and local governmental structures so we can move forward with a shared goal of energy independence. Please consider this request. It is really all that I have to say to you now.
dan
your argument for today being so much better off is based on the efficient exploitation of easy energy. Oil. This is well past peak production almost everywhere on the globe. That ans exploiting cheap, 3rd world labor.
Once the oil is too expensive and gone, the economy you are touting is gone. Global economic collapse. Plain and simple. there is no other energy source sitting off in the wings that will give us the same ROI. We ill be forced to live within the means. that is live withing the solar cycle. A excellent book for you to get up to speed on this would be The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight. by Thom Hartman
Another aspect of the "economy" you are touting is exactly what is at the root of the current economic crisis, people living off the card. Credit. Either actual credit cards or home equity. The middle class is borrowing to try and sustain a unrealistic life style. Just like sucking every drop of oil out of the ground, leaving non for the kids of today's kids. I am amazed that you make this argument in one way but then turn around and use it to try and support your view of the world.
You rail against credit to "ghettos of the inner city" but this is exactly how people are funding this artificially high on the hog life style.
dan
yes I am aware that the system was not perfect at during the 70s. A point in time when we too were under enormous energy pressures, again back to the energy issue. However, you do not see the massive collapse as you do during the pre-depression era and the post regan/bush/clinton/bush era.
This only fits within the "small" state. We really do not know that the global economic collapse would have happened, however, I remember that period of time as well. It was very ugly. I had several relatives out of work and were living with us at various times. I would argue that they would have still been much worse, in fact I would argue that without the Roosevelt's actions, both of them, we would have never created a large middle class which is the engine which actually drives the US economy. In fact any economy which sustains itself over time, has a massive middle class. Prior to these actions, post revolutionary period, the industrialization of the economy in a "free unfettered" market, the once existing middle class was drastically reduced and it was not until there were restraints put on the massively growing power of corporations, did we get a regeneration of the middle class.
If you look back across a larger period of time then the past 30 years, you will see a larger boom/bust/extortion pattern. that is what I am trying to illustrate in the blog I referenced.
Now we are seeing the systematic deconstruction of the middle class again, and we are seeing the resulting instability of the economic system in this country and it is threatening to deconstruct the all important global economy.
I would argue that we are in a perfect storm. The shrinking middle class, deregulation of the financial industry and most of all, out of control reliance and manipulation of the energy market. These 3 things all are the cause of the current economic collapse.
To fix this, we need to have a massive infusion of money into infrastructure projects. This is perfect for the changing the economy over to an electric one. Build the new mass transit system to move people using electricity, not petroleum, generate a massive distributive grid and put Americans to work building this alternative system. This has the possibility of strengthening the middle class and building a new paradigm for the future of the US. We must build the new green economy to pull us out of the current downward spiral and build a new economy.
dan
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