Greg, I designed hundreds of standalone solar systems for a nationwide Traffic Information telematics company. We had very strict requirement regarding days of autonomy and in Great Lake area there was minimal solar insolation. I used a software package from Maui Solar Energy Software Corporation. Common solar panels, batteries, regulators, etc. are included in the package. The software allows one to design standalone, grid based and hybrid systems. The software is very reasonable in price.
I have been checking for current solar panel prices and it looks like approx. $5 /watt for top quality panels is the going rate. Installed prices could top$9/watt for pole mounted trancking or non-tracking systems.
The Sunelec's panels will work for me but for commerical/gov work only the top grade ones will be acceptable. Out where you live the solar insolation is very much higher than here so you would probably need fewer panels.
Wind is a very real and acceptable addition into the mix. You get a lot of amps from a small generator with a 2 meter blade at about 15mph wind.
At 11:28am on February 21, 2009, Chuck Moore said…
Greg, thanks for the tip on sunelec.com. I completed designing hundreds of sites for my former employer throughout the USA. We used BP by customer request. Their panels were similar to BP3135 except 105W and the price went from about $280 at the start to $750 at the end of the project.
I want to personally thank you for joining the SEE effort here on the PP. Haven't heard much from you lately, but if you have any energy that you might want to put in the direction of SEE (ie. getting friends to join, etc.), it would be greatly appreciated.
FYI: We are now expanding SEE to be able to grow a membership beyond the Picken’s Plan. Please come visit us at the Global SEE and invite your PP and personal friends to also visit.
Global SEE site << http://seadog8278.ning.com >>
Sincerely,
Thomas Peterson
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Hi Greg, Here is a way to help and give tools to all of us for getting more RE projects started. I have been pushing for the sell of US Treasury "Energy Independence Savings Bonds". Savings bonds are normally purchased in $25 increments. This gives a way for just about any American to tighten their belts just a bit by skipping a meal at McDonalds or Pizza Hut and buying a RE savings bond to support a project. I need help pushing this project in Washington DC, I've faxed and emailed many in Congress/Senate already and need others to do the same. My email is ke6cvh@yahoo.com. Here is a copy of a fax sent to Nancy Pelosi yesterday:
27FEB09
Honorable Speaker of the House Congresswoman Pelosi,
I am an Electronic Technician Chief in the US Navy with 27 years service stationed overseas. I’m outlying an idea to assist and work with current plans for achieving energy independence. I urge you, as speaker of the house and the driving force to form the select committee on energy independence and global warming, consider for discussion and introduction into the house US Treasury Savings Bonds for Energy Independance.
In WWII America sold war bonds supporting the war effort. When young, my mother told me her primary school raised enough money through bonds to build a tank to support troops. I am impressed with the patriotism and purpose of our greatest generation that accomplished so much.
Selling energy bonds for RE (Renewable Energy) development would lower foreign oil imports and assist with the complex problem of funding. Bonds sold as “Energy S” could support new solar trough plants, “Energy W” to support wind farms, Energy “H” to support hydroelectric plants, Energy “T” to support RE transportation such as electric bullet train routes powered by RE, Energy "C" COOPS for small communities only needing a small quantity of turbines, and Energy “I” for needed infrastructure high voltage power lines to the RE site. Bonds will have the project name and include an artist’s perspective of the project and an American flag. President Obama had great success with the internet during his campaign. In a similar manner, using the internet, energy bonds could have a website listing current projects and an “electronic checkout” could purchase a bond $25 or higher. Simpler methods of payment such as “PAYPAL” and credit cards would be available and after an electronic purchase is complete a color print out of the bond is available with a follow up of the bond in the mail. The website would limit quantity of projects for each category until funding is complete. After a project becomes funded, a new project will be available. A tab on the site will show history and status of previous projects. Purchasers may take great pride in “collecting” and displaying bonds of various RE projects and participating at different levels of financial support. Solar trough plants in the multi-hundred MW size capacity with molten salt energy storage in California, Arizona, and West Texas can provide a major portion of electric needs. North Dakota has potential to support 1/3 of our nations electric needs in it’s class 4 wind zone areas. There are plenty of suitable proposed wind turbine farms now around the nation to significantly increase our RE if funded. Mid sized hydro-electric has not been used in America to it’s full potential. Following the example of our neighbor, Canada, it would provide a significant increase in percentage of electric production. Developing all three we could provide the majority of our electric and heating needs through renewable energy in a "New New Deal" fashion allowing natural gas for transportation as T. Boone Pickens is working for. Bullet train routes have proven a viable alternative to commercial domestic air service and when powered by electricity provided by RE suppliers America would be in the forefront of world technology. Example, I heard of discussion for a commuter train from Denver to Colorado Springs. Such a route built as a renewable energy project with charter requirement legally requiring to only purchase electricity from available renewable energy sources would be a model example. There are many train routes, city bus systems, and government vehicles that can be converted to run from alternative energy sources and fuels. Jobs created would bolster the economy, lower trade deficit, and strengthen national security. I would take great pride in print outs of bonds with graphics of each project I supported and many other Americans would also. The energy bonds could have tax breaks. BLM lands may be a viable place to start for some projects.
I contacted the US treasury department and was told that the marketing department for savings bonds closed several years ago. I was told there would be problems because savings bonds are at the federal level while the projects will be at the state and local level. I disagree and believe that these can easily be figured out in the way of grants to the state and local level using money from the bonds for those specific projects. I was told to check out auctions on the www.treasurydirect.gov website and found them to not apply to citizens wanting to buy savings bonds to support a cause such as energy independance. I was told by the treasury department to look into CREB (Clean Renewable Energy Bonds). I found CREB to be large scale funding that a citizen would not be able to participate in as a US Treasury Energy Independance Bond would provide. If given the tools to participate directly, the power of the citizens of the United States to help achieve energy independance could not be denied. Americans mean well and the Energy Independance Savings bond program will give citizens the power at their level to make it happen. If marketed through a web page, commercials, and to federal employees the word would get out and participation would spread like wildfire.
Mr. Paul Gipe, a resident of Bakersfield CA, an author of several books about wind energy, and recipient of multiple awards as a pioneer in the industry since the 1970's has put a letter I wrote to Senator Dorgan on this subject as well as an older letter I wrote on wind COOP in JAN07. These websites are:
Can you give me an email address, are you set up on skype? I would like to discuss many things with you. We can set up non-disclosure agreements. I am designing concentrator configurations that involve photovoltaic panels and heat engines. I have tha FEA capacity to simulate thermal loading and optimize heat sinking and many other things nessesary to make radical designs work. Do you have a web site? My email is tboydlaser@aol.com
My life's goal is to have all residential property co-generating electricity in North America by 2025. Little know fact it's only 25% of entire North American Grid Consumption.
This is attainable we have the technology and the man-power.....
We must start now!!!! Time for talk is over.....
I have introduced the Boldest Solar/Housing Initiative ever put forth...
Entire subdivisions of low-cost Modulars with little to no electric bill that retail from $79,900 to $149,900 680sq 2/1 to 1380sq 3/2.
Meets the need for low-cost housing and helps over Stressed Grid during PEAK_USAGE hrs as entire subdivisions come on-line becoming virtual mini-generating stations.
As well as helps the environment…
Win-win-win.
It is the short term solution to a long term problem.......
I need more R & D with my new patent Idea an will be asking for Ga Tech's help.....with the SOLAR POWERED HYBRID HYDROKINETIC RECIRCULATING GENERATOR which will drive the cost of production down by almost 60% and will also be going back to Washington DC
I am in negotiations with Roger Little of Spire Solar in Mass to build a 100mw PV manufacturing plant in Liberty County Ga.
My plan is simple mix Roger's little assembly line with RapidModular.com's walling panels to produce under one roof the
Structures of the future.
JD Polk, founder & ceo
Advanced Technology Industries Inc.
"We will be the Standard for all building Structures of the Future"
Building Sustainable Renewable Communities
of Tomorrow...
904.525.POLK 7655
912.996.2771 cell
888.448.9188
Welcome again to Idaho District group 1 (ID-01) we have the western side of the state so our members are all over.
I'm excited you joined and looking forward to working together in getting the Pickens Plan front and center.
Please check our group page on a regular basis to see all the activites occuring.
Now is our oppourtunity to get the citizens national grassroots movement with local strengh to finally end our country's dependence on foreign oil, expand renewable energies and jump start our new green economy.
Also, please join us for our 1st coffee meeting this Saturday in Garden City, check the comment wall for details.
The Army is Strong lets get moving!
Jim McCue
ID-01
I am in the same boat as you. I am setting up a company and I dont have any money either. I have experimented with photovoltaics and use them daily in my scientific gadgets.
Let me tell you about my situation. I live with my very elderly parents in Columbus Texas. I am watching over them here and supporting my daughter who lives with her mother in San Diego. Our house and land are paid for. I have a small machine shop and a lot of computer power that allows me to do CAD and finite element analysis. I am starting a new business www.encoreusascientifics.com email encoreusasci@aol.com or tboydlaser@aol.com.
My background is physics and engineering. I decided a few years ago that I was sick of going after government contracts and building very expensive delicate laser prototypes with very expensive components. My ambition now is to build things as cheaply as possible with scrap steel recovered from old bridges and cheap commercial components.
The finite element analysis and CAD allows me to explore new approaches towards devices that can convert solar and wind power to electricity. These designs are chosen to make use of cheap materials.
This business has just started. We intend to incorporate and to secure some form of intellectual property concerning our devices.
I believe that this energy, financial crisis will be the start of a new golden age of American ingenuity. It is possible to find all the materials necessary to build a home solar energy system in a large junk yard. You do need a little bit of land to build the system on, (1/4 acre is sufficient). Given the not very high efficiency of photovoltaic systems the 1/4 acre will give you 20 kW. The problem now is that photovoltaic systems cost about 7k$ per kW. The 140k$ up front is basically impossible for most homeowners.
There are other ways to convert the rather large amount of average solar power incident on that 1/4 acre. With the stuff in the junk yard you can achieve efficiencies about the same as photovoltaics, but you can build this system a lot cheaper. Patience is required, a few years of assembling the components. A person with patience may have what they wilt. I am designing systems like this now. I am here to help. I would like to get a collaboration going with you.
This is an exciting time to be in when the idea of alternative energy is taken seriously by the world and our new President! Our childrens future are in our hands. Together we can make this happen!
Greg
Thanks again for you positive attitude and comments. The immediate focus in ramping up the pledge numbers by Jan 20th. We're up to 1.5 million at last count from 1.3 a short time ago. Push Pledges as hard as you can. After the inaugural we'll continue our membership drive and use our growing voice to drive the imperative where it counts...in the halls of congress.
Without supportive voting the new administration will find it difficult to have its recommendations for new legislation enacted. I'm not taking anything for granted including the aura of accord in Obama's spoken position. Getting past the oil lobbies is not going to be a walk in the park. There's too much at stake for them and they've been 100% successful for decades.
This will be a hard fight. Our best weapon is the overwhelming dimension of a unified voice which threatens the jobs of the people we have employed to represent us in Congress. Keep the pressure on.
Thanks for your dedication and understanding the big picture. It's what has been missing all along.
Jack
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I have been checking for current solar panel prices and it looks like approx. $5 /watt for top quality panels is the going rate. Installed prices could top$9/watt for pole mounted trancking or non-tracking systems.
The Sunelec's panels will work for me but for commerical/gov work only the top grade ones will be acceptable. Out where you live the solar insolation is very much higher than here so you would probably need fewer panels.
Wind is a very real and acceptable addition into the mix. You get a lot of amps from a small generator with a 2 meter blade at about 15mph wind.
Have you used the panels provided by SunElec?
Come check out the Energy Party Headquarters!
http://energyparty.ning.com/
Hope to see you there!
I want to personally thank you for joining the SEE effort here on the PP. Haven't heard much from you lately, but if you have any energy that you might want to put in the direction of SEE (ie. getting friends to join, etc.), it would be greatly appreciated.
FYI: We are now expanding SEE to be able to grow a membership beyond the Picken’s Plan. Please come visit us at the Global SEE and invite your PP and personal friends to also visit.
Global SEE site << http://seadog8278.ning.com >>
Sincerely,
Thomas Peterson
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27FEB09
Honorable Speaker of the House Congresswoman Pelosi,
I am an Electronic Technician Chief in the US Navy with 27 years service stationed overseas. I’m outlying an idea to assist and work with current plans for achieving energy independence. I urge you, as speaker of the house and the driving force to form the select committee on energy independence and global warming, consider for discussion and introduction into the house US Treasury Savings Bonds for Energy Independance.
In WWII America sold war bonds supporting the war effort. When young, my mother told me her primary school raised enough money through bonds to build a tank to support troops. I am impressed with the patriotism and purpose of our greatest generation that accomplished so much.
Selling energy bonds for RE (Renewable Energy) development would lower foreign oil imports and assist with the complex problem of funding. Bonds sold as “Energy S” could support new solar trough plants, “Energy W” to support wind farms, Energy “H” to support hydroelectric plants, Energy “T” to support RE transportation such as electric bullet train routes powered by RE, Energy "C" COOPS for small communities only needing a small quantity of turbines, and Energy “I” for needed infrastructure high voltage power lines to the RE site. Bonds will have the project name and include an artist’s perspective of the project and an American flag. President Obama had great success with the internet during his campaign. In a similar manner, using the internet, energy bonds could have a website listing current projects and an “electronic checkout” could purchase a bond $25 or higher. Simpler methods of payment such as “PAYPAL” and credit cards would be available and after an electronic purchase is complete a color print out of the bond is available with a follow up of the bond in the mail. The website would limit quantity of projects for each category until funding is complete. After a project becomes funded, a new project will be available. A tab on the site will show history and status of previous projects. Purchasers may take great pride in “collecting” and displaying bonds of various RE projects and participating at different levels of financial support. Solar trough plants in the multi-hundred MW size capacity with molten salt energy storage in California, Arizona, and West Texas can provide a major portion of electric needs. North Dakota has potential to support 1/3 of our nations electric needs in it’s class 4 wind zone areas. There are plenty of suitable proposed wind turbine farms now around the nation to significantly increase our RE if funded. Mid sized hydro-electric has not been used in America to it’s full potential. Following the example of our neighbor, Canada, it would provide a significant increase in percentage of electric production. Developing all three we could provide the majority of our electric and heating needs through renewable energy in a "New New Deal" fashion allowing natural gas for transportation as T. Boone Pickens is working for. Bullet train routes have proven a viable alternative to commercial domestic air service and when powered by electricity provided by RE suppliers America would be in the forefront of world technology. Example, I heard of discussion for a commuter train from Denver to Colorado Springs. Such a route built as a renewable energy project with charter requirement legally requiring to only purchase electricity from available renewable energy sources would be a model example. There are many train routes, city bus systems, and government vehicles that can be converted to run from alternative energy sources and fuels. Jobs created would bolster the economy, lower trade deficit, and strengthen national security. I would take great pride in print outs of bonds with graphics of each project I supported and many other Americans would also. The energy bonds could have tax breaks. BLM lands may be a viable place to start for some projects.
I contacted the US treasury department and was told that the marketing department for savings bonds closed several years ago. I was told there would be problems because savings bonds are at the federal level while the projects will be at the state and local level. I disagree and believe that these can easily be figured out in the way of grants to the state and local level using money from the bonds for those specific projects. I was told to check out auctions on the www.treasurydirect.gov website and found them to not apply to citizens wanting to buy savings bonds to support a cause such as energy independance. I was told by the treasury department to look into CREB (Clean Renewable Energy Bonds). I found CREB to be large scale funding that a citizen would not be able to participate in as a US Treasury Energy Independance Bond would provide. If given the tools to participate directly, the power of the citizens of the United States to help achieve energy independance could not be denied. Americans mean well and the Energy Independance Savings bond program will give citizens the power at their level to make it happen. If marketed through a web page, commercials, and to federal employees the word would get out and participation would spread like wildfire.
Mr. Paul Gipe, a resident of Bakersfield CA, an author of several books about wind energy, and recipient of multiple awards as a pioneer in the industry since the 1970's has put a letter I wrote to Senator Dorgan on this subject as well as an older letter I wrote on wind COOP in JAN07. These websites are:
http://www.wind-works.org/coopwind/RenewableEnergyBondsforEnergyIndependence.html
and
http://www.wind-works.org/articles/AmericanEnergyIndependencethroughCooperativeInvestmentinWindEnergy.html
Sincerely and very respectfully,
ETC(SW/AW) Mike Kendall USN
Mailing address: PSC 476, Box 879, FPO AP, 96322 USA
Telephone (803) 265-4756, Email: ke6cvh@yahoo.com
Our we going to put a few bumps in the road so people will listen.
Corrina
Can you give me an email address, are you set up on skype? I would like to discuss many things with you. We can set up non-disclosure agreements. I am designing concentrator configurations that involve photovoltaic panels and heat engines. I have tha FEA capacity to simulate thermal loading and optimize heat sinking and many other things nessesary to make radical designs work. Do you have a web site? My email is tboydlaser@aol.com
Thanks
Tim
My life's goal is to have all residential property co-generating electricity in North America by 2025. Little know fact it's only 25% of entire North American Grid Consumption.
This is attainable we have the technology and the man-power.....
We must start now!!!! Time for talk is over.....
I have introduced the Boldest Solar/Housing Initiative ever put forth...
Entire subdivisions of low-cost Modulars with little to no electric bill that retail from $79,900 to $149,900 680sq 2/1 to 1380sq 3/2.
Meets the need for low-cost housing and helps over Stressed Grid during PEAK_USAGE hrs as entire subdivisions come on-line becoming virtual mini-generating stations.
As well as helps the environment…
Win-win-win.
It is the short term solution to a long term problem.......
I need more R & D with my new patent Idea an will be asking for Ga Tech's help.....with the SOLAR POWERED HYBRID HYDROKINETIC RECIRCULATING GENERATOR which will drive the cost of production down by almost 60% and will also be going back to Washington DC
I am in negotiations with Roger Little of Spire Solar in Mass to build a 100mw PV manufacturing plant in Liberty County Ga.
My plan is simple mix Roger's little assembly line with RapidModular.com's walling panels to produce under one roof the
Structures of the future.
JD Polk, founder & ceo
Advanced Technology Industries Inc.
"We will be the Standard for all building Structures of the Future"
Building Sustainable Renewable Communities
of Tomorrow...
904.525.POLK 7655
912.996.2771 cell
888.448.9188
Thanks for your help, please add a reply to the discussion thread when/who you called, so I can do the daily tally and give it to Micah.
Thanks,
Jim
Welcome again to Idaho District group 1 (ID-01) we have the western side of the state so our members are all over.
I'm excited you joined and looking forward to working together in getting the Pickens Plan front and center.
Please check our group page on a regular basis to see all the activites occuring.
Now is our oppourtunity to get the citizens national grassroots movement with local strengh to finally end our country's dependence on foreign oil, expand renewable energies and jump start our new green economy.
Also, please join us for our 1st coffee meeting this Saturday in Garden City, check the comment wall for details.
The Army is Strong lets get moving!
Jim McCue
ID-01
Please send me a comment back. I will work with you for free. I just want to get some things started.
Thanks
Tim Boyd
I am in the same boat as you. I am setting up a company and I dont have any money either. I have experimented with photovoltaics and use them daily in my scientific gadgets.
Let me tell you about my situation. I live with my very elderly parents in Columbus Texas. I am watching over them here and supporting my daughter who lives with her mother in San Diego. Our house and land are paid for. I have a small machine shop and a lot of computer power that allows me to do CAD and finite element analysis. I am starting a new business www.encoreusascientifics.com email encoreusasci@aol.com or tboydlaser@aol.com.
My background is physics and engineering. I decided a few years ago that I was sick of going after government contracts and building very expensive delicate laser prototypes with very expensive components. My ambition now is to build things as cheaply as possible with scrap steel recovered from old bridges and cheap commercial components.
The finite element analysis and CAD allows me to explore new approaches towards devices that can convert solar and wind power to electricity. These designs are chosen to make use of cheap materials.
This business has just started. We intend to incorporate and to secure some form of intellectual property concerning our devices.
I believe that this energy, financial crisis will be the start of a new golden age of American ingenuity. It is possible to find all the materials necessary to build a home solar energy system in a large junk yard. You do need a little bit of land to build the system on, (1/4 acre is sufficient). Given the not very high efficiency of photovoltaic systems the 1/4 acre will give you 20 kW. The problem now is that photovoltaic systems cost about 7k$ per kW. The 140k$ up front is basically impossible for most homeowners.
There are other ways to convert the rather large amount of average solar power incident on that 1/4 acre. With the stuff in the junk yard you can achieve efficiencies about the same as photovoltaics, but you can build this system a lot cheaper. Patience is required, a few years of assembling the components. A person with patience may have what they wilt. I am designing systems like this now. I am here to help. I would like to get a collaboration going with you.
Thanks
Tim Boyd
Thanks for taking the time to Vote "UP", good news we are now in 2nd place with the "Greenest country...." idea
Your efforts are making a difference!
Good luck with your solar panels.
Jim McCue
ID-01
Kim
Good luck.
Kim
My name is Jim McCue and I would like to personally invite you to visit our ID-01 Group. We are finally ramping up to speed and need your help.
Please review the two new discussions (Welcome & Goals) on the ID-01 group page to get started.
http://push.pickensplan.com/group/districtgroupid01
Please share your thoughts, talents and efforts in meeting our goals.
Thanks for caring and helping us.
Welcome aboard the ID-01 Army !
Jim
Thanks again for you positive attitude and comments. The immediate focus in ramping up the pledge numbers by Jan 20th. We're up to 1.5 million at last count from 1.3 a short time ago. Push Pledges as hard as you can. After the inaugural we'll continue our membership drive and use our growing voice to drive the imperative where it counts...in the halls of congress.
Without supportive voting the new administration will find it difficult to have its recommendations for new legislation enacted. I'm not taking anything for granted including the aura of accord in Obama's spoken position. Getting past the oil lobbies is not going to be a walk in the park. There's too much at stake for them and they've been 100% successful for decades.
This will be a hard fight. Our best weapon is the overwhelming dimension of a unified voice which threatens the jobs of the people we have employed to represent us in Congress. Keep the pressure on.
Thanks for your dedication and understanding the big picture. It's what has been missing all along.
Jack
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