Even when the switch to CNG and LNG occurs, you have to remember that not every person in America will switch. So there will not be a devastating spike in price across the country.
Also, remember that what we are really after are big trucks (18 wheelers, buses, trash trucks, etc.) There are 6.5 million 18 wheelers on the road today. If we can convert just 350,000 of those to natural gas, we create 450,000 jobs and reduce our dependence on foreign oil by 5.14%. Some individual consumers will purchase NGV, but not everyone across the country.
Even if that happened, we have over a thousand trillion cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves. That’s enough natural gas for everyone in America to drive a vehicle for the next 77 years. Pretty amazing stuff.
Hi JT, This may be noteworthy and may spike your interest. Here is a tool for all of us to get RE projects started by selling of US Treasury "Energy Independence Savings Bonds". Savings bonds are normally purchased in $25 increments. This gives a way for just about any American to tighten their belts just a bit by skipping a meal at McDonalds or Pizza Hut and buying an RE savings bond to support a renewable energy project and save money at the same time for themselves. I need help pushing this project, I've faxed and emailed many in Congress/Senate already.If you agree with this plan please consider passing to other people in your district as it will be a great tool to get funding for PickensPlan projects through support of Renewable Energy projects. On my web page is a link for a new group that was started today called “Energy Independence US Treasury Savings Bonds” At your discretion I encourage you to join on the link as one of “my friends” and the join the group if you agree with the goals. I have created a group on PickensPlan called “Energy Independence US Treasury Savings Bonds” . It is currently listed as the number 3 group on the PickensPlan website and I encourage you to check it out, join if you like it, and become friends on my PickensPlan page. My email address is michael.kendall@ymail.com Here is a copy of a fax sent to Nancy Pelosi the other day:
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27FEB09
Honorable Speaker of the House Congresswoman Pelosi,
I am an Electronic Technician Chief in the US Navy with 27 years service stationed overseas. I’m outlying an idea to assist and work with current plans for achieving energy independence. I urge you, as speaker of the house and the driving force to form the select committee on energy independence and global warming, consider for discussion and introduction into the house US Treasury Savings Bonds for Energy Independance.
In WWII America sold war bonds supporting the war effort. When young, my mother told me her primary school raised enough money through bonds to build a tank to support troops. I am impressed with the patriotism and purpose of our greatest generation that accomplished so much.
Selling energy bonds for RE (Renewable Energy) development would lower foreign oil imports and assist with the complex problem of funding. Bonds sold as “Energy S” could support new solar trough plants, “Energy W” to support wind farms, Energy “H” to support hydroelectric plants, Energy “T” to support RE transportation such as electric bullet train routes powered by RE, Energy "C" COOPS for small communities only needing a small quantity of turbines, and Energy “I” for needed infrastructure high voltage power lines to the RE site. Bonds will have the project name and include an artist’s perspective of the project and an American flag. President Obama had great success with the internet during his campaign. In a similar manner, using the internet, energy bonds could have a website listing current projects and an “electronic checkout” could purchase a bond $25 or higher. Simpler methods of payment such as “PAYPAL” and credit cards would be available and after an electronic purchase is complete a color print out of the bond is available with a follow up of the bond in the mail. The website would limit quantity of projects for each category until funding is complete. After a project becomes funded, a new project will be available. A tab on the site will show history and status of previous projects. Purchasers may take great pride in “collecting” and displaying bonds of various RE projects and participating at different levels of financial support. Solar trough plants in the multi-hundred MW size capacity with molten salt energy storage in California, Arizona, and West Texas can provide a major portion of electric needs. North Dakota has potential to support 1/3 of our nations electric needs in it’s class 4 wind zone areas. There are plenty of suitable proposed wind turbine farms now around the nation to significantly increase our RE if funded. Mid sized hydro-electric has not been used in America to it’s full potential. Following the example of our neighbor, Canada, it would provide a significant increase in percentage of electric production. Developing all three we could provide the majority of our electric and heating needs through renewable energy in a "New New Deal" fashion allowing natural gas for transportation as T. Boone Pickens is working for. Bullet train routes have proven a viable alternative to commercial domestic air service and when powered by electricity provided by RE suppliers America would be in the forefront of world technology. Example, I heard of discussion for a commuter train from Denver to Colorado Springs. Such a route built as a renewable energy project with charter requirement legally requiring to only purchase electricity from available renewable energy sources would be a model example. There are many train routes, city bus systems, and government vehicles that can be converted to run from alternative energy sources and fuels. Jobs created would bolster the economy, lower trade deficit, and strengthen national security. I would take great pride in print outs of bonds with graphics of each project I supported and many other Americans would also. The energy bonds could have tax breaks. BLM lands may be a viable place to start for some projects.
I contacted the US treasury department and was told that the marketing department for savings bonds closed several years ago. I was told there would be problems because savings bonds are at the federal level while the projects will be at the state and local level. I disagree and believe that these can easily be figured out in the way of grants to the state and local level using money from the bonds for those specific projects. I was told to check out auctions on the www.treasurydirect.gov website and found them to not apply to citizens wanting to buy savings bonds to support a cause such as energy independance. I was told by the treasury department to look into CREB (Clean Renewable Energy Bonds). I found CREB to be large scale funding that a citizen would not be able to participate in as a US Treasury Energy Independance Bond would provide. If given the tools to participate directly, the power of the citizens of the United States to help achieve energy independance could not be denied. Americans mean well and the Energy Independance Savings bond program will give citizens the power at their level to make it happen. If marketed through a web page, commercials, and to federal employees the word would get out and participation would spread like wildfire.
Mr. Paul Gipe, a resident of Bakersfield CA, an author of several books about wind energy, and recipient of multiple awards as a pioneer in the industry since the 1970's has put a letter I wrote to Senator Dorgan on this subject as well as an older letter I wrote on wind COOP in JAN07. These websites are:
http://www.wind-works.org/coopwind/RenewableEnergyBondsforEnergyIndependence.html
and
http://www.wind-works.org/articles/AmericanEnergyIndependencethroughCooperativeInvestmentinWindEnergy.html
Sincerely and very respectfully,
ETC(SW/AW) Mike Kendall USN
Mailing address: PSC 476, Box 879, FPO AP, 96322 USA
Telephone (803) 265-4756, Email: michael.kendall@ymail.com
Hello JT Yep, 30-50 years is definitely too long. I don't know how much time we do have but if we don't start now it will be too late. It will take 5-10 years to start seeing significant progress but that requires huge investments in infrastructure and skills from engineers and scientists as well as popular support. The real difficulty is the political will. Our political leadrers must get taught that the voters are serious. But that means we have to teach the voters why they have to be serious
As far as nuclear power is concerned. The biggest problem is the cost of waste disposal. Safety issues, while we must be aware of them and address them, are frequently overblown. Waste is the real problem. The technology to dispose of nuclear waste has been invented but it is extremely expensive. We're talking about a trillion or more dollars over the next ten to twenty years. But that is because we have not spent any development dollars to make it cheaper. Nuclear has higher up front costs than coal and oil plants. This is what state regulators and power companies see. The reasons are partly technical but also due to ignorance and fear causing insurance and risk costs affecting the investors' desire to put money into these projects. Many remember "WHOOPS!" in Washington and the collapse of investment vehicles in the Northeast in the 80s. Organizing education and political action campaigns such as PickensPlan is a start. The question is sustaining this effort in our current political and economic environment. How do we translate this effort to ground level poundinfg on doors and raising money for political campaigns? These ideas are an outline. The details are going to be difficult to handle but I don't think they're that hard.
Mike Williams
Hello JT. Jessee here. Feel free to visit my page and add me as a friend. We do share some common views. Look over my profile and blogs as well as my discussions.
President Clinton gave all 3 auto maker 1 billion dollars to build hybrid vehicals in 1993. They did so. when the oil man took office they crushed there hybrids. Bush sells oil. Hybrids mean les sales. Now the 3 american auto makers are swiming up $h!t$ creek because people want hybrids and not big gas guzzling trucks. Why do you think a Bush appointed Judge is against Hybrid Taxi's.
Hi JT,
We are doing a great deal of product checking for our micro home project and have Determined that we can be probably 90% to 100% LED lighting. The bulbs we are using can be 12 VDC or 120 VAC. X only 3 watts!! They have a 50,000 hour life cycle. I wired our micro home for 120 VAC because I also have an excellent supplier of inexpensive inverters both modified sine wave and full sine wave. I am very impressed with the bulbs. See photos on my page.
I want to be able to plug in, and use 120 VAC equipment if necessary. I'm going to put propane in for cooking and it can also be used to run a propane last resort, backup generator to charge batteries etc. We will have solar hot water and heat.
I'm using 12 VDC to run the inverters because I can add a wiring harness to my vehicles to charge a spare backup battery while doing my errands etc. I also have a new 1000 watt wind turbine with 12 volt powered inverter in my warehouse. This equipment is not selling by the way and my feeling is that the general public is not taking this entire energy thing very seriously. I intend to sell these off the grid homes for very low dollars if we move forward we will mass produce them.
Several of us are starting our own contact list for contact with Pickens people we want to stay in touch with so that when the site folds we won't lose track of each other. If you are interested, my email is wbarrett1@aol.com or ceo@chinadepot.com and the phone number is 401 725 8141, web site www.chinadepot.com www.chinadepot.com.
If you need more technical info please contact me at wbarrett1@aol.com
Thanks,
Walt
Fair is fair. Daryl phoned about an hour ago, and we had a conversation. So far, it would seem that much of the problem is his lack of ability to convey the concept concisely. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I will continue to be in contact with him, and flesh out a comprehensive, concise presentation of his proposal that doesn't need a few PhDs and a dozen days to read.:) In the meantime, know that if I hadn't heard substantially more and better from him this time around, I'd have just hung up the phone.
WIll his concept link Orlando to Tampa? I don't think so. It would seem the bureaucrats have decided to go to steel rail, not even conventional high-speed MagLev technologies, citing lowerer costs of conventional rail. Hey, I've got an idea! Let's just use horse-drawn carriages and save even more!
I do not know you, and I do not know Daryl Oster. I do not have a dog in this fight. However, FYI, I came to your profile due to message I received from Daryl Oster about his objections to your criticism of the idea he is promoting.
I believe I am also grounded in reality, and I think the questions you are raising are not only appropriate, but essential to any advancement of knowledge and its practical application.
In my opinion, our long term energy solution will depend upon creative ideas that withstand the necessary scrutiny to make it from an idea to a model to commercial scale production.
Ask your questions, and continue your probing for the viability of all ideas.
I like your outlook. America can do this, once we set our minds, hearts, hands, and yes budgets to the task.
The nice thing about the PP membership is the synergy going on here. A lot of folks have been working alone for far too long. Now that we're reaching critical mass, something should get done for the better.
It looks like we're going to accomplish a lot more than even Boone imagined.
Nice Avatar pic at the Louvre. DaVinci or Pei fan too? ;-)
Your point is valid. I'm just saying that it will take a lot of work The biggest problem is convincing the public that we have to do it. Nuclear energy is a good part of a comprehensive solution but even nuclear won't solve the long term problems. The political problem with nuclear is that many people think that the plants are not safe. The new plants being built in Europe are safer than many coal and oil fired plants. The real problem is what to do with the waste. This is a huge problem While many people think there are no solutions to the wate proble, the truth is that there are no cheap solutions. . Still with adequte political guts I think we can use solar and nuclear as well as wind to sole this problem much more quickly. A recent report out of the Middle East says that R&D investments over the next 30 years will have to top 21 Trillion dollars to meet the world's growing energy demands. This is energy demand, not oil demand. This is why I say we need to work on all three for the short and medium term. It's a beginning because the need for more energy will be never-ending. Unless we want to see a collapse of the world ecology a la Soylent Green. But I am not NOT PESSIMISTIC. As Mr. Pickens says, we need leadership. We have the ability to find the solutions. We just need the will.
Hi JT.
Could not be more right. It IS up to us. Every day 1,000 people join this sight. It should be 10 times that. Welcome. Here's how you can help.
Here's how you can help.
PLEASE email the Pickens Plan video to everyone you know. www.pickensplan.com. Ask them to join. Ask them to pass it along. Time is of the essence. If every member had 10 friends join today, we could put the number of members over 1 million very quickly!
If we can not get critical numbers how can we take advantage of this golden opportunity? High gas prices have "woken up" America to our plight and a paradigm shift like not other is in the wind. We need to do this now.
So many new members write "I want to help, what can I do?" This is a start. We may not get to the next step if we can not get this one done.
Our leaders can not ignore millions of members of the Pickens Plan. We are not there yet. One person can make a difference.
Let me know how it goes.
PLEASE email the Pickens Plan video to everyone you know. www.pickensplan.com. Ask them to join. Ask them to pass it along. Time is of the essence. If every member had 10 friends join today, we could put the number of members over 1 million very quickly!
If we can not get critical numbers how can we take advantage of this golden opportunity? High gas prices have "woken up" America to our plight and a paradigm shift like not other is in the wind. We need to do this now.
So many new members write "I want to help, what can I do?" This is a start. We may not get to the next step if we can not get this one done.
Our leaders can not ignore millions of members of the Pickens Plan. We are not there yet. One person can make a difference.
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Great question!
Even when the switch to CNG and LNG occurs, you have to remember that not every person in America will switch. So there will not be a devastating spike in price across the country.
Also, remember that what we are really after are big trucks (18 wheelers, buses, trash trucks, etc.) There are 6.5 million 18 wheelers on the road today. If we can convert just 350,000 of those to natural gas, we create 450,000 jobs and reduce our dependence on foreign oil by 5.14%. Some individual consumers will purchase NGV, but not everyone across the country.
Even if that happened, we have over a thousand trillion cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves. That’s enough natural gas for everyone in America to drive a vehicle for the next 77 years. Pretty amazing stuff.
Geoff
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27FEB09
Honorable Speaker of the House Congresswoman Pelosi,
I am an Electronic Technician Chief in the US Navy with 27 years service stationed overseas. I’m outlying an idea to assist and work with current plans for achieving energy independence. I urge you, as speaker of the house and the driving force to form the select committee on energy independence and global warming, consider for discussion and introduction into the house US Treasury Savings Bonds for Energy Independance.
In WWII America sold war bonds supporting the war effort. When young, my mother told me her primary school raised enough money through bonds to build a tank to support troops. I am impressed with the patriotism and purpose of our greatest generation that accomplished so much.
Selling energy bonds for RE (Renewable Energy) development would lower foreign oil imports and assist with the complex problem of funding. Bonds sold as “Energy S” could support new solar trough plants, “Energy W” to support wind farms, Energy “H” to support hydroelectric plants, Energy “T” to support RE transportation such as electric bullet train routes powered by RE, Energy "C" COOPS for small communities only needing a small quantity of turbines, and Energy “I” for needed infrastructure high voltage power lines to the RE site. Bonds will have the project name and include an artist’s perspective of the project and an American flag. President Obama had great success with the internet during his campaign. In a similar manner, using the internet, energy bonds could have a website listing current projects and an “electronic checkout” could purchase a bond $25 or higher. Simpler methods of payment such as “PAYPAL” and credit cards would be available and after an electronic purchase is complete a color print out of the bond is available with a follow up of the bond in the mail. The website would limit quantity of projects for each category until funding is complete. After a project becomes funded, a new project will be available. A tab on the site will show history and status of previous projects. Purchasers may take great pride in “collecting” and displaying bonds of various RE projects and participating at different levels of financial support. Solar trough plants in the multi-hundred MW size capacity with molten salt energy storage in California, Arizona, and West Texas can provide a major portion of electric needs. North Dakota has potential to support 1/3 of our nations electric needs in it’s class 4 wind zone areas. There are plenty of suitable proposed wind turbine farms now around the nation to significantly increase our RE if funded. Mid sized hydro-electric has not been used in America to it’s full potential. Following the example of our neighbor, Canada, it would provide a significant increase in percentage of electric production. Developing all three we could provide the majority of our electric and heating needs through renewable energy in a "New New Deal" fashion allowing natural gas for transportation as T. Boone Pickens is working for. Bullet train routes have proven a viable alternative to commercial domestic air service and when powered by electricity provided by RE suppliers America would be in the forefront of world technology. Example, I heard of discussion for a commuter train from Denver to Colorado Springs. Such a route built as a renewable energy project with charter requirement legally requiring to only purchase electricity from available renewable energy sources would be a model example. There are many train routes, city bus systems, and government vehicles that can be converted to run from alternative energy sources and fuels. Jobs created would bolster the economy, lower trade deficit, and strengthen national security. I would take great pride in print outs of bonds with graphics of each project I supported and many other Americans would also. The energy bonds could have tax breaks. BLM lands may be a viable place to start for some projects.
I contacted the US treasury department and was told that the marketing department for savings bonds closed several years ago. I was told there would be problems because savings bonds are at the federal level while the projects will be at the state and local level. I disagree and believe that these can easily be figured out in the way of grants to the state and local level using money from the bonds for those specific projects. I was told to check out auctions on the www.treasurydirect.gov website and found them to not apply to citizens wanting to buy savings bonds to support a cause such as energy independance. I was told by the treasury department to look into CREB (Clean Renewable Energy Bonds). I found CREB to be large scale funding that a citizen would not be able to participate in as a US Treasury Energy Independance Bond would provide. If given the tools to participate directly, the power of the citizens of the United States to help achieve energy independance could not be denied. Americans mean well and the Energy Independance Savings bond program will give citizens the power at their level to make it happen. If marketed through a web page, commercials, and to federal employees the word would get out and participation would spread like wildfire.
Mr. Paul Gipe, a resident of Bakersfield CA, an author of several books about wind energy, and recipient of multiple awards as a pioneer in the industry since the 1970's has put a letter I wrote to Senator Dorgan on this subject as well as an older letter I wrote on wind COOP in JAN07. These websites are:
http://www.wind-works.org/coopwind/RenewableEnergyBondsforEnergyIndependence.html
and
http://www.wind-works.org/articles/AmericanEnergyIndependencethroughCooperativeInvestmentinWindEnergy.html
Sincerely and very respectfully,
ETC(SW/AW) Mike Kendall USN
Mailing address: PSC 476, Box 879, FPO AP, 96322 USA
Telephone (803) 265-4756, Email: michael.kendall@ymail.com
As far as nuclear power is concerned. The biggest problem is the cost of waste disposal. Safety issues, while we must be aware of them and address them, are frequently overblown. Waste is the real problem. The technology to dispose of nuclear waste has been invented but it is extremely expensive. We're talking about a trillion or more dollars over the next ten to twenty years. But that is because we have not spent any development dollars to make it cheaper. Nuclear has higher up front costs than coal and oil plants. This is what state regulators and power companies see. The reasons are partly technical but also due to ignorance and fear causing insurance and risk costs affecting the investors' desire to put money into these projects. Many remember "WHOOPS!" in Washington and the collapse of investment vehicles in the Northeast in the 80s. Organizing education and political action campaigns such as PickensPlan is a start. The question is sustaining this effort in our current political and economic environment. How do we translate this effort to ground level poundinfg on doors and raising money for political campaigns? These ideas are an outline. The details are going to be difficult to handle but I don't think they're that hard.
Mike Williams
Clynton
Great idea and good information!
Thanks
Walt
We are doing a great deal of product checking for our micro home project and have Determined that we can be probably 90% to 100% LED lighting. The bulbs we are using can be 12 VDC or 120 VAC. X only 3 watts!! They have a 50,000 hour life cycle. I wired our micro home for 120 VAC because I also have an excellent supplier of inexpensive inverters both modified sine wave and full sine wave. I am very impressed with the bulbs. See photos on my page.
I want to be able to plug in, and use 120 VAC equipment if necessary. I'm going to put propane in for cooking and it can also be used to run a propane last resort, backup generator to charge batteries etc. We will have solar hot water and heat.
I'm using 12 VDC to run the inverters because I can add a wiring harness to my vehicles to charge a spare backup battery while doing my errands etc. I also have a new 1000 watt wind turbine with 12 volt powered inverter in my warehouse. This equipment is not selling by the way and my feeling is that the general public is not taking this entire energy thing very seriously. I intend to sell these off the grid homes for very low dollars if we move forward we will mass produce them.
Several of us are starting our own contact list for contact with Pickens people we want to stay in touch with so that when the site folds we won't lose track of each other. If you are interested, my email is wbarrett1@aol.com or ceo@chinadepot.com and the phone number is 401 725 8141, web site www.chinadepot.com www.chinadepot.com.
If you need more technical info please contact me at wbarrett1@aol.com
Thanks,
Walt
WIll his concept link Orlando to Tampa? I don't think so. It would seem the bureaucrats have decided to go to steel rail, not even conventional high-speed MagLev technologies, citing lowerer costs of conventional rail. Hey, I've got an idea! Let's just use horse-drawn carriages and save even more!
More as it comes...
JT
I do not know you, and I do not know Daryl Oster. I do not have a dog in this fight. However, FYI, I came to your profile due to message I received from Daryl Oster about his objections to your criticism of the idea he is promoting.
I believe I am also grounded in reality, and I think the questions you are raising are not only appropriate, but essential to any advancement of knowledge and its practical application.
In my opinion, our long term energy solution will depend upon creative ideas that withstand the necessary scrutiny to make it from an idea to a model to commercial scale production.
Ask your questions, and continue your probing for the viability of all ideas.
Thanks
The nice thing about the PP membership is the synergy going on here. A lot of folks have been working alone for far too long. Now that we're reaching critical mass, something should get done for the better.
It looks like we're going to accomplish a lot more than even Boone imagined.
Nice Avatar pic at the Louvre. DaVinci or Pei fan too? ;-)
Mike Williams
Could not be more right. It IS up to us. Every day 1,000 people join this sight. It should be 10 times that. Welcome. Here's how you can help.
Here's how you can help.
PLEASE email the Pickens Plan video to everyone you know. www.pickensplan.com. Ask them to join. Ask them to pass it along. Time is of the essence. If every member had 10 friends join today, we could put the number of members over 1 million very quickly!
If we can not get critical numbers how can we take advantage of this golden opportunity? High gas prices have "woken up" America to our plight and a paradigm shift like not other is in the wind. We need to do this now.
So many new members write "I want to help, what can I do?" This is a start. We may not get to the next step if we can not get this one done.
Our leaders can not ignore millions of members of the Pickens Plan. We are not there yet. One person can make a difference.
Let me know how it goes.
PLEASE email the Pickens Plan video to everyone you know. www.pickensplan.com. Ask them to join. Ask them to pass it along. Time is of the essence. If every member had 10 friends join today, we could put the number of members over 1 million very quickly!
If we can not get critical numbers how can we take advantage of this golden opportunity? High gas prices have "woken up" America to our plight and a paradigm shift like not other is in the wind. We need to do this now.
So many new members write "I want to help, what can I do?" This is a start. We may not get to the next step if we can not get this one done.
Our leaders can not ignore millions of members of the Pickens Plan. We are not there yet. One person can make a difference.
Let me know how it goes.
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