Tomorrow 11:00 am PST, Jeff Green Florida State Leader will be joining us on The Green Revolution Show. Details posted under events. We will be discussing among other things, the NAT GAS ACT, and what we have to do to get it passed. We hope you and our other friends in Utah will join in on the conversation. If we are lucky maybe a Congressperson or Senator will join in.
Thank you for your help and all the great work you do in Utah. We really appreciate your help.
I am puzzled by the problematic CNG certification process. I say this because major manufacturers produce CNG and dual-fuel cars in Europe, Russia and the Phillipines. Therefore, there should be OEM (original equipment manufacturers) equipment from them to modify our cars instead of relying on getting aftermarket kits approved and certified. Also, it seems we could import cars that are dual-fuel from a major manufacturer ( including GM). How insane and backward would that be?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas
Invitation to join NW Renewable Energy Group
I have started a Regional group, welcoming comments, ideas, and suggestions for Renewable Energy in the NW Region. Including states from the Pacific, Cascade and Rocky Mountain areas. I realize that some of my Pickens Plan friends are outside this region, but you are always welcome to join and add your thoughts to the discussion. We should be looking at best available sources of energy in our region, and ways to improve the power grid to transfer energy from region to region as it is needed.
Do you have any information on how you got started? Is there a starting point that you can help me with in starting this effort here locally in Tulsa Ok?
Have you ever had your computer crash? What did you do? Did you reboot it? Did you reformat the hard drive? Or did you call one of your sons friends who was sort of a Nerd and let him do his magic and get it fixed? As we all know mechanical and electronic devices have problems and wear out eventually. For the past 35 years of my life I have been repairing cars, Over this time I have met many mechanics and there are only a few who rise to the top of their field. This is because they have a natural ability to understand mechanical problems and the patience and technical ability to repair cars. Over my lifetime the automobile has went from a simple machine with very few electronic parts to a sophisticated mechanical machine with more computers and sensors than a NASA Rocket Ship. The general public still looks to these few Trained and Certified Technicians to solve their Mechanical and Electronic problems on their Cars.
Many of these talented Technicians here in Utah saw the introduction of CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) Vehicles as an opportunity to help motorists do something good for the consumer and good for the environment. It was a Win situation for both the installer and the consumer, or so it seemed? These New CNG car owners would be able to burn clean Natural Gas, a fuel source that we have plenty of here in Utah, a fuel source that is low priced. A fuel source that burns cleaner than traditional gasoline. Instead of being patted on the back for getting their Safety training in CNG, collecting CNG products and installing CNG kits these Technicians were painted as Criminals by the press and others.
Let’s take a look at the Modern CNG Industry as a whole, where did all of the current CNG Vehicles come from? Most of the Dedicated (CNG only) and Bi-fuel (both CNG and Gasoline) vehicles on the road today were built and converted over the past 15 years by Car Companies and Private Retrofitters. Most of these conversions were spawned out of Mandates and Directives from the Government in order to clean up our Air. As the CNG Industry in the US grew and the vehicles got more complicated the older CNG kits were not sophisticated enough for these newer vehicles the older CNG systems were replaced with modern more tunable Kits. Around this time the EPA noticed that some of these conversions were burning dirtier than their Gasoline counterparts so directives were issued whereby the offending Vehicles could be monitored. The older CNG systems were good for their time but as the Vehicles themselves got more sophisticated more tunable CNG kits were introduced. Many of these kits came from companies outside the United State who had been producing these kits for many years. For a while it was profitable for CNG Kit manufacturers to get their Kits EPA Approved, there were plenty of fleets who needed their kits (Government mandates etc.) and the installers and consumers were in some cases receiving rebates and incentives from the federal and state government for theses conversions. As the Vehicles got more sophisticated and the rebates and incentives dried up it was no longer profitable for the Kit Producers to certify their kits, a single certification is only good for one vehicle, one engine family for one year, then the next years the process needs to be repeated.
Now comes the famous Summer of 2008, the gasoline prices are tripled, the consumers are squeezed and here in Utah we have a clean burning money saving Alternative, CNG. As the car dealers began pulling in overpriced factory converted vehicles the Independent Repair Facilities began training their technicians and searching for CNG kits to install.
World wide the United States is behind the curve when it comes to CNG Conversions. As we try to catch up with the rest of the world and help clear the air. As we go into this New Year we need to rethink our approach to CNG Conversions. We need to work together, all CNG Shops, those who install Certified (EPA) and Imported (non certified) kits. We can all come together and help each other. The Certified Kits need Safety Checking and testing from time to time, some older systems may need to be retrofitted with an Imported kit. We need to share tuning information and mantainence schedules. The Imported kit conversions need to be checked for Safety and Emissions.
Each individual State needs to Certify and Safety Check the CNG Vehicles within their borders. At this time the EPA Certification Process is cumbersome, antiquated and not flexible enough to keep up with the current influx of CNG Conversions. People need to be able to convert what ever vehicle they are driving, not just the Fords and Chevy’s that the government and state fleets have been driving. The Citizens want CNG, the Politicians want CNG, the Pickens People want CNG, and those driving gas guzzlers want relief through CNG.
There is an answer:
1) Streamline the conversion and certification process.
2) Create an Emission testing program tighter than the original EPA Standard.
3) Create a Safety standard for all CNG Vehicles and systems.
4) Let the State implement and regulate this program using the Certified Automotive Technicians of the State.
5) Create a board of Certified Technicians to help train others in the testing and repair of CNG systems.
6) Implement these programs using existing Safety and Emission stations.
Jim congrats on helping out with this great effort. Are we going to have any events? It might be interesting, for example, to write a letter together with as many signatures as we can get to send to our senators and Chaffee asking them to vote in favor of the President's new stimulus package and get money moving towards renewables and jobs.
I HAVE SOME GREAT CONNECTIONS, PARTNERS AND FRIENDS THAT HAVE A PATENT ON A CATALYTIC CONVERTER SYSTEM THAT GETS 100 to 300 MILES PER GALLON on ALL CARS, TRUCKS, MOTORHOMES AND EVEN 4X4'S
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2916 Sesame Circle
Taylorsville, Utah 84118-2441
801-969-9696
Happyz49@aol.com
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Just read it Younkin! And call me!!! I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE MONEY ON IT! JUST WANT TO GET A MEETING WITH PICKENS! SO HE CAN LEARN ABOUT IT AND HELP ME GET IT FOR ALL AMERICANS, AT NO COST or VERY,VERY CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Henry Vander Veur II
2916 Sesame Circle
Taylorsville, Ut. 84118
801-969-9696
Happyz49@aol.com
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I HAVE SOME GREAT CONNECTIONS, PARTNERS AND FRIENDS THAT HAVE A PATENT ON A CATALYTIC CONVERTER SYSTEM THAT GETS 100 to 300 MILES PER GALLON on ALL CARS, TRUCKS, MOTORHOMES AND EVEN 4X4'S
Henry Vander Veur II
2916 Sesame Circle
Taylorsville, Utah 84118-2441
801-969-9696
Happyz49@aol.com
Our scientific testing has led us to believe that the PICC will increase the mileage of all personal vehicles to over 100 miles per gallon (city or highway). Check it Out For Yourself!! 100% Money Back Guarantee!! Just Click The Link Below and Check it Out!!
http://www.preignitioncc.com/gas13
Just read it Younkin! And call me!!! I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE MONEY ON IT! JUST WANT TO GET A MEETING WITH PICKENS! SO HE CAN LEARN ABOUT IT AND HELP ME GET IT FOR ALL AMERICANS, AT NO COST or VERY,VERY CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Henry Vander Veur II
2916 Sesame Circle
Taylorsville, Ut. 84118
801-969-9696
Happyz49@aol.com
" Get Over 100 Miles Per Gallon Soon! Cars, Trucks, MotorHome and Even 4x4's! All Makes, All Models! 100% Guaranteed! No BullShit! Just Save Gas! $$$$$$$$"
Click This Link Now! Or Copy & Paste Into Your Browser!
http://www.preignitioncc.com/gas13
Sounds like we need to talk call me 435-946-8219 Frank
At 11:51am on December 20, 2008, Steven Haver said…
Appears to me that CNG should, at the very least, be throroly evaluated by those responsible for groups of numerous tax-supported vehicles; buses and police cars near the head of the list.
Evaluation to include determining whether such vehicles can be, in practice, driven and maintained at an acceptable cost.
If evaluation comes out favorably, begin purchasing new vehicles which use CNG, and operate these on highest-mileage routes. (Assuming that per-mile fuel cost of CNG is at least competitive with alternatives). Intending to, even if no money is saved, obtain operational experience .. .
As the #1Grunt in the Idaho energy army I would like to say congratulations on your buisness. I hope it is successful. Would be interested in problems you have encountered as well as successes in your buisness model if you care to share.
anything specific that we could do here in Idaho to get things started??
Hubert
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Tomorrow 11:00 am PST, Jeff Green Florida State Leader will be joining us on The Green Revolution Show. Details posted under events. We will be discussing among other things, the NAT GAS ACT, and what we have to do to get it passed. We hope you and our other friends in Utah will join in on the conversation. If we are lucky maybe a Congressperson or Senator will join in.
Thank you for your help and all the great work you do in Utah. We really appreciate your help.
John
760-961-1312
Are you still on board? Kinda quiet lately. We are starting to gain some traction and want to keep moving forward. Let me know what I can do to help!
We need a work around the EPA rags. Or a test program to show how easy this can be.
Bob
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas
I have started a Regional group, welcoming comments, ideas, and suggestions for Renewable Energy in the NW Region. Including states from the Pacific, Cascade and Rocky Mountain areas. I realize that some of my Pickens Plan friends are outside this region, but you are always welcome to join and add your thoughts to the discussion. We should be looking at best available sources of energy in our region, and ways to improve the power grid to transfer energy from region to region as it is needed.
Robert Schultz
Pickens Plan
WA-05 District Leader
A true CNG Story
Have you ever had your computer crash? What did you do? Did you reboot it? Did you reformat the hard drive? Or did you call one of your sons friends who was sort of a Nerd and let him do his magic and get it fixed? As we all know mechanical and electronic devices have problems and wear out eventually. For the past 35 years of my life I have been repairing cars, Over this time I have met many mechanics and there are only a few who rise to the top of their field. This is because they have a natural ability to understand mechanical problems and the patience and technical ability to repair cars. Over my lifetime the automobile has went from a simple machine with very few electronic parts to a sophisticated mechanical machine with more computers and sensors than a NASA Rocket Ship. The general public still looks to these few Trained and Certified Technicians to solve their Mechanical and Electronic problems on their Cars.
Many of these talented Technicians here in Utah saw the introduction of CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) Vehicles as an opportunity to help motorists do something good for the consumer and good for the environment. It was a Win situation for both the installer and the consumer, or so it seemed? These New CNG car owners would be able to burn clean Natural Gas, a fuel source that we have plenty of here in Utah, a fuel source that is low priced. A fuel source that burns cleaner than traditional gasoline. Instead of being patted on the back for getting their Safety training in CNG, collecting CNG products and installing CNG kits these Technicians were painted as Criminals by the press and others.
Let’s take a look at the Modern CNG Industry as a whole, where did all of the current CNG Vehicles come from? Most of the Dedicated (CNG only) and Bi-fuel (both CNG and Gasoline) vehicles on the road today were built and converted over the past 15 years by Car Companies and Private Retrofitters. Most of these conversions were spawned out of Mandates and Directives from the Government in order to clean up our Air. As the CNG Industry in the US grew and the vehicles got more complicated the older CNG kits were not sophisticated enough for these newer vehicles the older CNG systems were replaced with modern more tunable Kits. Around this time the EPA noticed that some of these conversions were burning dirtier than their Gasoline counterparts so directives were issued whereby the offending Vehicles could be monitored. The older CNG systems were good for their time but as the Vehicles themselves got more sophisticated more tunable CNG kits were introduced. Many of these kits came from companies outside the United State who had been producing these kits for many years. For a while it was profitable for CNG Kit manufacturers to get their Kits EPA Approved, there were plenty of fleets who needed their kits (Government mandates etc.) and the installers and consumers were in some cases receiving rebates and incentives from the federal and state government for theses conversions. As the Vehicles got more sophisticated and the rebates and incentives dried up it was no longer profitable for the Kit Producers to certify their kits, a single certification is only good for one vehicle, one engine family for one year, then the next years the process needs to be repeated.
Now comes the famous Summer of 2008, the gasoline prices are tripled, the consumers are squeezed and here in Utah we have a clean burning money saving Alternative, CNG. As the car dealers began pulling in overpriced factory converted vehicles the Independent Repair Facilities began training their technicians and searching for CNG kits to install.
World wide the United States is behind the curve when it comes to CNG Conversions. As we try to catch up with the rest of the world and help clear the air. As we go into this New Year we need to rethink our approach to CNG Conversions. We need to work together, all CNG Shops, those who install Certified (EPA) and Imported (non certified) kits. We can all come together and help each other. The Certified Kits need Safety Checking and testing from time to time, some older systems may need to be retrofitted with an Imported kit. We need to share tuning information and mantainence schedules. The Imported kit conversions need to be checked for Safety and Emissions.
Each individual State needs to Certify and Safety Check the CNG Vehicles within their borders. At this time the EPA Certification Process is cumbersome, antiquated and not flexible enough to keep up with the current influx of CNG Conversions. People need to be able to convert what ever vehicle they are driving, not just the Fords and Chevy’s that the government and state fleets have been driving. The Citizens want CNG, the Politicians want CNG, the Pickens People want CNG, and those driving gas guzzlers want relief through CNG.
There is an answer:
1) Streamline the conversion and certification process.
2) Create an Emission testing program tighter than the original EPA Standard.
3) Create a Safety standard for all CNG Vehicles and systems.
4) Let the State implement and regulate this program using the Certified Automotive Technicians of the State.
5) Create a board of Certified Technicians to help train others in the testing and repair of CNG systems.
6) Implement these programs using existing Safety and Emission stations.
-tom belchak
Henry Vander Veur II
2916 Sesame Circle
Taylorsville, Utah 84118-2441
801-969-9696
Happyz49@aol.com
Our scientific testing has led us to believe that the PICC will increase the mileage of all personal vehicles to over 100 miles per gallon (city or highway). Check it Out For Yourself!! 100% Money Back Guarantee!! Just Click The Link Below and Check it Out!!
http://www.preignitioncc.com/gas13
Just read it Younkin! And call me!!! I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE MONEY ON IT! JUST WANT TO GET A MEETING WITH PICKENS! SO HE CAN LEARN ABOUT IT AND HELP ME GET IT FOR ALL AMERICANS, AT NO COST or VERY,VERY CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Henry Vander Veur II
2916 Sesame Circle
Taylorsville, Ut. 84118
801-969-9696
Happyz49@aol.com
" Get Over 100 Miles Per Gallon Soon! Cars, Trucks, MotorHome and Even 4x4's! All Makes, All Models! 100% Guaranteed! No BullShit! Just Save Gas! $$$$$$$$"
Click This Link Now! Or Copy & Paste Into Your Browser!
http://www.preignitioncc.com/gas13
Henry Vander Veur II
2916 Sesame Circle
Taylorsville, Utah 84118-2441
801-969-9696
Happyz49@aol.com
Our scientific testing has led us to believe that the PICC will increase the mileage of all personal vehicles to over 100 miles per gallon (city or highway). Check it Out For Yourself!! 100% Money Back Guarantee!! Just Click The Link Below and Check it Out!!
http://www.preignitioncc.com/gas13
Just read it Younkin! And call me!!! I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE MONEY ON IT! JUST WANT TO GET A MEETING WITH PICKENS! SO HE CAN LEARN ABOUT IT AND HELP ME GET IT FOR ALL AMERICANS, AT NO COST or VERY,VERY CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Henry Vander Veur II
2916 Sesame Circle
Taylorsville, Ut. 84118
801-969-9696
Happyz49@aol.com
" Get Over 100 Miles Per Gallon Soon! Cars, Trucks, MotorHome and Even 4x4's! All Makes, All Models! 100% Guaranteed! No BullShit! Just Save Gas! $$$$$$$$"
Click This Link Now! Or Copy & Paste Into Your Browser!
http://www.preignitioncc.com/gas13
Evaluation to include determining whether such vehicles can be, in practice, driven and maintained at an acceptable cost.
If evaluation comes out favorably, begin purchasing new vehicles which use CNG, and operate these on highest-mileage routes. (Assuming that per-mile fuel cost of CNG is at least competitive with alternatives). Intending to, even if no money is saved, obtain operational experience .. .
anything specific that we could do here in Idaho to get things started??
Hubert
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