Every seed takes time to germinate.
So too in the fields of the soul.
We must never give up and sow
because the results do not
immediate to our eyes.
Let us wait with patience.
In the right moment, the seeds
have driven in the soil of hearts,
there will produce mature fruit.
Understanding and sow Joy, Peace and
Courage, Forgiveness and Love.
Jesus bless you have a good night.
Ok.....snow loads are a bitch. i don't much like the idea of extrapolating the graphs, so i'm using the flat panel data and calling the radius a redundant safety margin....so anyway,i'm out to the 10mm twin wall with the classic "16 on center" spacing with the 48" stock width...but then i have to pre drill evac passages though to the "inaccessible" sections....i'm starting to like the idea of cutting the stock to rafter spacing and using a router to "ride" the inner edge wall...this will allow a double rafter mortise,and consequent center "tendon" to transfer loads through to an outer rafter "cap arch".
more later....stay tuned.
PS with the cost per square foot as low as it is, i'm just figuring for a 24 hour slow cure epoxy for the sill plate seal.
see the 55" bend R on the 8mm double wall?..this stuff is almost flexible enough to bend into a 9 foot diameter circle...anyway it's flexible.
and see the picture of the barrel vault?...like That!
i know your probably thinking "that isn't going to hold heat"....but wait... i was looking at some evacuated tube specs and these guys aren't even pullin' one psi to the negative...then, i realized i could manifold the multi-wall,and use a venturi and a vacume gauge to pull about two inchsHg...and the multi wall wouldn't even flinch...a little more looking and i'm stareing at an easy R 40!!!!!!!
Multi wall comes in lengths up to 48 feet (semi-trailer) that's enough to span 35 feet....and iv'e constructed bomb tough arches before by laminating layers of hardboard with gorilla glue...ya get the quarter inch stuff and rip strips to your beam thickness,clamp over a form, and stagger your joints and the next thing ya know ya have a graceful piece of engineered lumber....
which brings me to a question....say ya frame a notch in the sill plate to key in your multi-wall..what could a guy dump in there that would cure slow enough to allow a decent working time,and also be affordable,and of course make for a leak proof structural seal to hold a mild vacuum?...any suggestions?
Thomas glad to wee you back and busy. How's the writing? Yes copyright everything. All you have to do is put the little c in the circle, your name and date and NO ONE CAN SWIPE from you. I would love to help you get it out and around,,,circulation assistance. editing, whatever i can do for a great idea. Once you get it done marketing it is a whole new world...stay intouch friend.
I am back after a series of physical and personal problems. I apologise for being away for so long. I will try to catch up with everything here as soon as I can.
Thomas
At 7:51am on February 21, 2009, Kim Anderson said…
Hi Thomas
Happy weekend to you.
Please stop by and CONGRATULATE and THANK our 2 newest 100CLUB members. These folks are building our members, and our influence, one new supporter at a time!
PAMELA BARNES and TOM SETTER are our 2 newest 100CLUB members. Pamela is an Arizona district leader, and Tom is in her district! What a team.
Dear Thomas; I wish I'd known about "SEE HOUSING" when I was doing, light general contracting? I know about it now, and am getting the word out to as many friends and associates as I am able. I network a lot because, I am now medically retired from the building trades. You may want to check out WiserEarth.com where you could freely create a web site presentation of your great concept. Sustainable Clean Energy, is that groups network battle cry. Thank you Tom, for Everything. Your Pickens Army friend, William "Leland" Luster/Las Vegas,Nevada
At 10:57am on February 16, 2009, Geoff Bailey said…
Thomas,
Thanks for the invite. SEE looks like it has gotten off to a great start!
Geoff
At 1:33pm on February 14, 2009, Lee Nordling said…
Hi, Thomas.
I've been following many of the threads, and am still sorting though the best way for me to contribute.
So many people here have companies that work in this area, and I'm just a writer/comic book packager/editor who's looking for the best way in.
Mulling (for me) is often the way to the best solution, though I'm certainly thinking about what kind of book that can be produced that will do the best job for the most amount of people.
President Obama recorded a video to speak directly to you about his economic recovery plan.
Invite your friends and family to watch the video and learn why our unprecedented challenges require immediate action.
You can even use our email contact importer to make it easy. Don't worry -- we don't hold on to any of the addresses you use.
After you watch the video, watch Gov. Tim Kaine answer questions from ordinary citizens about the plan and share your story about the economic crisis.
We're counting on you to collect the real stories of the challenges Americans are facing during this recession. We need to hear from you how the economic crisis is affecting your life and why the economic recovery plan is important to you and your community.
Once we receive your stories we will make them available to the public to show how critical it is to support the economic recovery plan.
Yesterday began with some devastating news with regard to our economic crisis. But I'm pleased to say it ended on a more positive note.
In the morning, we received yet another round of alarming employment figures – the worst in more than 30 years. Another 600,000 jobs were lost in January. We've now lost more than 3.6 million jobs since this recession began.
But by the evening, Democrats and Republicans came together in the Senate and responded appropriately to the urgency this moment demands.
In the midst of our greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, the American people were hoping that Congress would begin to confront the great challenges we face. That was, after all, what last November's election was all about.
Legislation of such magnitude deserves the scrutiny that it's received over the last month, and it will receive more in the days to come. But we can't afford to make perfect the enemy of the absolutely necessary. The scale and scope of this plan is right. And the time for action is now.
Because if we don't move swiftly to put this plan in motion, our economic crisis could become a national catastrophe. Millions of Americans will lose their jobs, their homes, and their health care. Millions more will have to put their dreams on hold.
Let's be clear: We can't expect relief from the tired old theories that, in eight short years, doubled the national debt, threw our economy into a tailspin, and led us into this mess in the first place. We can't rely on a losing formula that offers only tax cuts as the answer to all our problems while ignoring our fundamental economic challenges – the crushing cost of health care or the inadequate state of so many schools; our addiction to foreign oil or our crumbling roads, bridges, and levees.
The American people know that our challenges are great. They don't expect Democratic solutions or Republican solutions – they expect American solutions.
From the beginning, this recovery plan has had at its core a simple idea: Let's put Americans to work doing the work America needs done. It will save or create more than 3 million jobs over the next two years, all across the country – 16,000 in Maine, nearly 80,000 in Indiana – almost all of them in the private sector, and all of them jobs that help us recover today, and prosper tomorrow.
Jobs that upgrade classrooms and laboratories in 10,000 schools nationwide – at least 485 in Florida alone – and train an army of teachers in math and science.
Jobs that modernize our health care system, not only saving us billions of dollars, but countless lives.
Jobs that construct a smart electric grid, connect every corner of the country to the information superhighway, double our capacity to generate renewable energy, and grow the economy of tomorrow.
Jobs that rebuild our crumbling roads, bridges and levees and dams, so that the tragedies of New Orleans and Minneapolis never happen again.
It includes immediate tax relief for our struggling middle class in places like Ohio, where 4.5 million workers will receive a tax cut of up to $1,000. It protects health insurance and provides unemployment insurance for those who've lost their jobs. And it helps our states and communities avoid painful tax hikes or layoffs for our teachers, nurses, and first responders.
That's what is at stake with this plan: putting Americans back to work, creating transformative economic change, and making a down payment on the American Dream that serves our children and our children's children for generations to come.
Americans across this country are struggling, and they are watching to see if we're equal to the task before us. Let's show them that we are. And let's do whatever it takes to keep the promise of America alive in our time.
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We have sent over 30,000 messages to our Senators in just 2 days. THIS IS THE MOMENT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. Real action is on the table. Let them hear from us.
Boone's team has made it so easy - it takes just one minute to forward a simple message to your Senators. PLEASE do it today. Please get the folks in your home, family and office to do the same.
utilizing Peel and stick for Golf Carts and Homes/Commercial applications as well we also supply stand alone solutions for solar Hope you join us your input is valuable
I am concerned about the high percentage of our oil that comes from foreign countries. Even in December, as the economy was contracting, we imported nearly 70 percent of the oil we used and paid over $19 billion for it.
I am very interested in the aspects of The American Renewal and Reinvestment Act (H.R. 1) that include the promotion of alternative energy - wind and solar; the building out of a 21st century electrical transmission grid; and incenting trucking companies to upgrade from trucks running on foreign diesel to those running on domestic natural gas.
A Department of Energy study showed that developing our capacity to produce wind energy would not only replace 20 percent of the electricity we now produce using coal-burning plants, but would add 138,000 jobs in the first year and more than 3.4 million over a ten-year span.
Also, if we switch just 350,000 of the 6.5 million heavy trucks running on the nation's Interstate Highways to domestic natural gas from imported diesel, we could cut our oil imports by over five percent. In December alone that would have kept nearly $1 billion from being shipped off shore.
I hope you will join me in supporting these components of the Pickens Plan as H.R. 1 moves toward final passage in the Senate
P.S. Savings bonds could be help in economic crisis.
While Washington tries to "fix" the banking and Wall Street mess created by subprime "gotcha" adjustable rate mortgages defaulting en masse, many of us are looking for a safer place to put at least some of our retirement, college funds, etc.
And we also want our country to become more energy-independent and our crumbling infrastructure repaired. But with things as they are, how can we accomplish these three objectives? A new form of U.S. Treasury savings bonds could be the answer.
Without U.S. saving bonds, we wouldn't have been able to supply our troops and allies like we did in World War II. If the U.S. Treasury issued energy independence and infrastructure savings bonds that paid an interest rate about 3 percent greater than the annualized FED rate adjusted for inflation, only be redeemable on their anniversary date(s), and what they pay is not faxed when they are redeemed at maturity, all three of these objectives can be achieved without any increase in taxes, especially if these funds were only employed as 1-to-2 matching funds.
Such bonds could increase employment enough to even reduce our taxes.
Pass this idea on to your friends and then the politicians.
BRIEFING ROOM: The White House provides timely and accurate information about the President's latest events and public statements. Here you'll find photos, video, and blogs, as well as proclamations, executive orders, and press releases.
I must admit I am in information OVERLOAD.
Forgive me, but in all the different programs, ideas and mountains of data I have read in the past month has gotten me to a DEAD HEAD stage.
Please guide me to the info on just what does an SEE home consist of?
I am trying to imagine in my mind the differences you actually undergo to make the SEE a better than NBC built home.
I am sure I have read enough of your information which has been posted, but can not for the life of me, find my way back.
I will Let You Know when We have a date,
It is like pulling teeth to get the schedulers of the politicians to commit to a date. but I would like them to participate I am persistent and have communicated with them several times.
But no matter what we will have a forum.
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Every seed takes time to germinate.
So too in the fields of the soul.
We must never give up and sow
because the results do not
immediate to our eyes.
Let us wait with patience.
In the right moment, the seeds
have driven in the soil of hearts,
there will produce mature fruit.
Understanding and sow Joy, Peace and
Courage, Forgiveness and Love.
Jesus bless you have a good night.
This article is touting a home tour that might be of interest. Here's the link: http://www.onlinetes.com/enews.cfm?id=1188
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Ok.....snow loads are a bitch. i don't much like the idea of extrapolating the graphs, so i'm using the flat panel data and calling the radius a redundant safety margin....so anyway,i'm out to the 10mm twin wall with the classic "16 on center" spacing with the 48" stock width...but then i have to pre drill evac passages though to the "inaccessible" sections....i'm starting to like the idea of cutting the stock to rafter spacing and using a router to "ride" the inner edge wall...this will allow a double rafter mortise,and consequent center "tendon" to transfer loads through to an outer rafter "cap arch".
more later....stay tuned.
PS with the cost per square foot as low as it is, i'm just figuring for a 24 hour slow cure epoxy for the sill plate seal.
got a question for ya.....
excerpt from suburban conversion project:
YAY!!!...two new members...Welcome.
ok every one....Open a new tab and copy/paste this into the search and turn to page22.
https://www.sundancesupply.com/GE-MultiWallInstall.pdf
see the 55" bend R on the 8mm double wall?..this stuff is almost flexible enough to bend into a 9 foot diameter circle...anyway it's flexible.
and see the picture of the barrel vault?...like That!
i know your probably thinking "that isn't going to hold heat"....but wait... i was looking at some evacuated tube specs and these guys aren't even pullin' one psi to the negative...then, i realized i could manifold the multi-wall,and use a venturi and a vacume gauge to pull about two inchsHg...and the multi wall wouldn't even flinch...a little more looking and i'm stareing at an easy R 40!!!!!!!
Multi wall comes in lengths up to 48 feet (semi-trailer) that's enough to span 35 feet....and iv'e constructed bomb tough arches before by laminating layers of hardboard with gorilla glue...ya get the quarter inch stuff and rip strips to your beam thickness,clamp over a form, and stagger your joints and the next thing ya know ya have a graceful piece of engineered lumber....
which brings me to a question....say ya frame a notch in the sill plate to key in your multi-wall..what could a guy dump in there that would cure slow enough to allow a decent working time,and also be affordable,and of course make for a leak proof structural seal to hold a mild vacuum?...any suggestions?
start an out line!!! work on your thoughts. not on us!
hope all is well. amy
I am back after a series of physical and personal problems. I apologise for being away for so long. I will try to catch up with everything here as soon as I can.
Thomas
Happy weekend to you.
Please stop by and CONGRATULATE and THANK our 2 newest 100CLUB members. These folks are building our members, and our influence, one new supporter at a time!
PAMELA BARNES and TOM SETTER are our 2 newest 100CLUB members. Pamela is an Arizona district leader, and Tom is in her district! What a team.
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Best to you!
Kim
Thanks for the invite. SEE looks like it has gotten off to a great start!
Geoff
I've been following many of the threads, and am still sorting though the best way for me to contribute.
So many people here have companies that work in this area, and I'm just a writer/comic book packager/editor who's looking for the best way in.
Mulling (for me) is often the way to the best solution, though I'm certainly thinking about what kind of book that can be produced that will do the best job for the most amount of people.
Still here.
Still thinking.
Still working.
--Lee
Sounds great, but posting a big promo on a state level Comment Wall area is the wrong approach; better to Start Discussion. Thank you.
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Invite your friends and family to watch the video and learn why our unprecedented challenges require immediate action.
You can even use our email contact importer to make it easy. Don't worry -- we don't hold on to any of the addresses you use.
After you watch the video, watch Gov. Tim Kaine answer questions from ordinary citizens about the plan and share your story about the economic crisis.
We're counting on you to collect the real stories of the challenges Americans are facing during this recession. We need to hear from you how the economic crisis is affecting your life and why the economic recovery plan is important to you and your community.
Once we receive your stories we will make them available to the public to show how critical it is to support the economic recovery plan.
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REMARKS OF PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
WEEKLY ADDRESS
The White House
Saturday, February 7, 2009
Yesterday began with some devastating news with regard to our economic crisis. But I'm pleased to say it ended on a more positive note.
In the morning, we received yet another round of alarming employment figures – the worst in more than 30 years. Another 600,000 jobs were lost in January. We've now lost more than 3.6 million jobs since this recession began.
But by the evening, Democrats and Republicans came together in the Senate and responded appropriately to the urgency this moment demands.
In the midst of our greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, the American people were hoping that Congress would begin to confront the great challenges we face. That was, after all, what last November's election was all about.
Legislation of such magnitude deserves the scrutiny that it's received over the last month, and it will receive more in the days to come. But we can't afford to make perfect the enemy of the absolutely necessary. The scale and scope of this plan is right. And the time for action is now.
Because if we don't move swiftly to put this plan in motion, our economic crisis could become a national catastrophe. Millions of Americans will lose their jobs, their homes, and their health care. Millions more will have to put their dreams on hold.
Let's be clear: We can't expect relief from the tired old theories that, in eight short years, doubled the national debt, threw our economy into a tailspin, and led us into this mess in the first place. We can't rely on a losing formula that offers only tax cuts as the answer to all our problems while ignoring our fundamental economic challenges – the crushing cost of health care or the inadequate state of so many schools; our addiction to foreign oil or our crumbling roads, bridges, and levees.
The American people know that our challenges are great. They don't expect Democratic solutions or Republican solutions – they expect American solutions.
From the beginning, this recovery plan has had at its core a simple idea: Let's put Americans to work doing the work America needs done. It will save or create more than 3 million jobs over the next two years, all across the country – 16,000 in Maine, nearly 80,000 in Indiana – almost all of them in the private sector, and all of them jobs that help us recover today, and prosper tomorrow.
Jobs that upgrade classrooms and laboratories in 10,000 schools nationwide – at least 485 in Florida alone – and train an army of teachers in math and science.
Jobs that modernize our health care system, not only saving us billions of dollars, but countless lives.
Jobs that construct a smart electric grid, connect every corner of the country to the information superhighway, double our capacity to generate renewable energy, and grow the economy of tomorrow.
Jobs that rebuild our crumbling roads, bridges and levees and dams, so that the tragedies of New Orleans and Minneapolis never happen again.
It includes immediate tax relief for our struggling middle class in places like Ohio, where 4.5 million workers will receive a tax cut of up to $1,000. It protects health insurance and provides unemployment insurance for those who've lost their jobs. And it helps our states and communities avoid painful tax hikes or layoffs for our teachers, nurses, and first responders.
That's what is at stake with this plan: putting Americans back to work, creating transformative economic change, and making a down payment on the American Dream that serves our children and our children's children for generations to come.
Americans across this country are struggling, and they are watching to see if we're equal to the task before us. Let's show them that we are. And let's do whatever it takes to keep the promise of America alive in our time.
Thank you.
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We have sent over 30,000 messages to our Senators in just 2 days. THIS IS THE MOMENT WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. Real action is on the table. Let them hear from us.
Boone's team has made it so easy - it takes just one minute to forward a simple message to your Senators. PLEASE do it today. Please get the folks in your home, family and office to do the same.
Here is the easy link to our Senators:
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I am concerned about the high percentage of our oil that comes from foreign countries. Even in December, as the economy was contracting, we imported nearly 70 percent of the oil we used and paid over $19 billion for it.
I am very interested in the aspects of The American Renewal and Reinvestment Act (H.R. 1) that include the promotion of alternative energy - wind and solar; the building out of a 21st century electrical transmission grid; and incenting trucking companies to upgrade from trucks running on foreign diesel to those running on domestic natural gas.
A Department of Energy study showed that developing our capacity to produce wind energy would not only replace 20 percent of the electricity we now produce using coal-burning plants, but would add 138,000 jobs in the first year and more than 3.4 million over a ten-year span.
Also, if we switch just 350,000 of the 6.5 million heavy trucks running on the nation's Interstate Highways to domestic natural gas from imported diesel, we could cut our oil imports by over five percent. In December alone that would have kept nearly $1 billion from being shipped off shore.
I hope you will join me in supporting these components of the Pickens Plan as H.R. 1 moves toward final passage in the Senate
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P.S. Savings bonds could be help in economic crisis.
While Washington tries to "fix" the banking and Wall Street mess created by subprime "gotcha" adjustable rate mortgages defaulting en masse, many of us are looking for a safer place to put at least some of our retirement, college funds, etc.
And we also want our country to become more energy-independent and our crumbling infrastructure repaired. But with things as they are, how can we accomplish these three objectives? A new form of U.S. Treasury savings bonds could be the answer.
Without U.S. saving bonds, we wouldn't have been able to supply our troops and allies like we did in World War II. If the U.S. Treasury issued energy independence and infrastructure savings bonds that paid an interest rate about 3 percent greater than the annualized FED rate adjusted for inflation, only be redeemable on their anniversary date(s), and what they pay is not faxed when they are redeemed at maturity, all three of these objectives can be achieved without any increase in taxes, especially if these funds were only employed as 1-to-2 matching funds.
Such bonds could increase employment enough to even reduce our taxes.
Pass this idea on to your friends and then the politicians.
Renew_America_Bonds.pdf
Discussion link: Funding Energy Independence?
Stay tuned for more information on green jobs following the Middle Class Task Force’s, first meeting on February 27, 2009 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
BRIEFING ROOM: The White House provides timely and accurate information about the President's latest events and public statements. Here you'll find photos, video, and blogs, as well as proclamations, executive orders, and press releases.
I must admit I am in information OVERLOAD.
Forgive me, but in all the different programs, ideas and mountains of data I have read in the past month has gotten me to a DEAD HEAD stage.
Please guide me to the info on just what does an SEE home consist of?
I am trying to imagine in my mind the differences you actually undergo to make the SEE a better than NBC built home.
I am sure I have read enough of your information which has been posted, but can not for the life of me, find my way back.
Monty and Debbie
It is like pulling teeth to get the schedulers of the politicians to commit to a date. but I would like them to participate I am persistent and have communicated with them several times.
But no matter what we will have a forum.
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