Hello,
I just wanted to take a minute of your time to let you know that a residential solar revolution HAS STARTED that will change the way you think about solar.
Please visit; www.powur.com/homeenergy1
To View Our Mission, and then click the back arrow to Become an Ecopreneur.
Please – this is not a sales pitch, but an opportunity to get involved in the greening of America. So if you have friends or relatives in the Anaheim area, please take the time to let them know of this message.
I guess I missed the announcement, and I can't find the article. Perhaps I processed it as just so much more marketing hype? I dunno.
But except for the occasional DIY guy, the selling price of parts is a mostly meaningless statistic isn't it? I mean the generators we use cost less than a nickel a Watt you can to to the GE, or Westinghouse or Marathon site and see that for yourself. Inverters for PV are 15 times more expensive ~ $0.75/Watt. The big issue is still installation. it can double the cost of the hardware for most PV jobs, we keep it below 10% of the total cost.
Is that the cell price, the module price, or the *installed* price? We quote installed prices (excluding permitting, local taxes, & fees), but I showed years ago that even if the solar cells were 'free" the install cost on a conventional PV system is in excess of $4/Watt.
And what is worse, is that when the CIGS folks started bragging about the $1/Watt threshold they neglected to mention that the diminished efficiency of the panels requires a bigger solar field. The installed cost of PV somehow never managed to drop below $6/Watt.
REYNOLDS, Are you still cherping? Glad you have plenty money and don't need tax credits, subsidies in your hydrogen fuel cell cars. I wish you good luck, but don't ask for gov't support. Go out into the free market and if you have a better auto let the free market determine this. Not have congress mandate cars that nobody wants and need subsidies, tax credits, etc. Support clean coal as the most assured and inexpensive way to capture CO2 and sequester. I gave you several technical references, so go read them and acquire this critical knowledge of the facts. Don't lock into something that is probably a pipe dream. Go with proven technology. Poston
REYNOLDS, Go for it, but stay with the free market. Don't ask for subsidies, tax credits, federal mandates, etc just get your H2 fuel cells competitive with and cheaper than say nat gas. There is no political support for small cars, alternate energy when gasoline is likely to fall to $1. Even the most liberal members of congress will not vote against fossil fuels when they are the cheapest thing going. They all want to get reelected. So lets concentrate our efforts on the doable--CCS! Carbon sequestration. POSTON
REYNOLDS, EVERYTHING YOU STATE HAS BEEN PROVED WRONG IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. OIL LESS THAN $40/BO, NAT GAS $5.70/MCF. DOES THIS SEEM LIKE WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF FOSSIL FUELS. NOBODY WILL BUY H2 FUEL CELL OR ANY OTHER EXOTIC AT THESE PRICES, GETTING AN EDUCATION--AYE!!! POSTON
Dr Hans Kruger, Hans you need to update your information and knowledge about Carbon Capture & Storage (CCS). Read Jly '08 issue of The Journal of Petroleum Technology, published by the Soc of Petr Engineers monthly, Pgs 86-94. You will see that the industry is already using this technology to clean coal from CO2 emissions. Use this proven technology on the 1,500 concentrated sources of CO2 and we are well below Koyoto standards in less than 10 yrs. No need to build cars that no body wants. Let the free market work. Poston
REYNOLDS, Age and experience has value in the current situation we find the USA in. Importing 70% of crude oil needs. Al Gore, inventor of internet, deciding that CO2 is a pollutiant. You have all your hope on a new liberal congress passing laws with Obama anxious to sign that will turn an already sick economy upside down. I have been around long enough to know that Robt Byrd, arguably the most liberal senator will not vote against coal. Ditto same for liberal senators from O & G producing states. When they see there is a way to clean up coal they will jump on this, especially since it is proven. I direct you to the Jly '08 issue of the Journal of Petr Tech, Pgs 86-93 where three articles on CCS document how advanced the fossil fuel insustry is in CCS. You need to update your knowledge and not lockin to a pipe dream. Poston
REYNOLDS, Just get a copy of the news reel shot of the Hindenberg and watch it. You seem to think that elemental H2 is not highly explosive. H2 is the most difficult gas to contain, has a wide range of explosive concentrations and is very dangerous. Heat of combustion for H2 is not as high for H2 as say methane or gasoline, but this will not protect you when flames are all around you--your clothing and flesh will quickly get engulfed in flame. Now you seem to be totally wrong about nat gas availibility. We import gas from W Canada (primarily PG & E) to the tune of about 15% of our total annual demand of 20 tcf. Nat gas is not economically moved by anything other than a pipeline. This is why ConocoPhillips is heading a group to build a nat gas pipeline from Prudoe Bay to Cushing, Okl. Sarah Palin pushed this through.
We do not import LNG because it costs too much. Check with T Boone on the hugh proven reserves of nat gas. Burning nat gas reduces CO2 emissions by 80%+ compared to coal, so you should support nat gas now!! Essentially all nat gas is domestically produced here in U.S.. The price of nat gas at the well head was $14/MCF earlier this year and is now $6.2/MCF. Does this seem like we are running out or have a supply problem with nat gas? You want congress rather than the free market to decide which fuels we use, which cars are mfg by Detroit, spend money on "New Tech" and thereby invent new fuel cells, batteries, etc to reduce CO2 emissions. It is doubtful that this approach will ever get there. Congress will never vote to wipe out the coal business or the oil and nat gas production business. They will however support a CO2 capture and sequestration scheme that uses proven tech and can reach our goal in less than 10 yrs. Check the Jour of Petr Tech monthly issues have several articles on CCS. This will give you up to date facts on CCS. You will learn how advanced CCS really is. Poston
REYNOLDS, You are just too young and probably never saw the explosion and fire of the Hindenberg blimp filled with elemental H2 before WWII. This was a deadly fire that still is perhaps the most spectacular of all times. Look it up! Now nobody wants to drive the small tiny low powered H2 fuel cell cars. They have made limited headway in Europe where gasoline is very heavily taxed and it always costs $5/gal up. Now that gasoline here is down to $1.75/gal sale of these small cars has collapsed. Nobody wants to drive fuel cell cars when big cars and SUVs are more economical and safe. Then you apparently have not listened to Boone when he assured us that nat gas is very abundant in the continental USA. We have developed 3D seismic and horizontal drilling to enable us to extract large volumes of nat gas out of shale beds that were heretofore not recoverable. The Barnett Shale in Ft Worth and under the DFW airport contains 50+ trillion cubic feet of proven gas reserves. There is upwards of 1 quadrillion cu ft of nonconventional reserves producible from shale beds in central and eastern states incl Pa. Check this out We don't need LNG when we have so much nat gas that has been proven up and producible here in USA. Gas is most economically and safely transported by pipeline not by LNG tankers. Now you are placing all your hope that congress will pass laws telling Detroit what cars they can build and even many of the liberal dems will not support this. Just sit back, watch and wait to see the reaction of the lib dems when Obama tries to shut down coal production. The USA has been built on individual freedom and free markets. This always works best. Gov't never gets it right. Look at what they did to the banking system with "community housing" mandates. At least you recognize that many miles of high voltage elec transmission lines need to be built east and west to get wind turbine electric to where demand is located. But don't think for a second that public and private owners of fossil fuelled power plants are going to eat the unamortized cost of operating power plants or neither will the rate payers. So if you want to get in compliance with Kotoyo within 10 yrs the only feasible way is carbon capture and sequestration. You are talking 100 fuel cell cars now and 50,000 in 5 yrs when we have 200mil cars and trucks. This is a joke! Support something that will work, quickly reach a goal and be free market orientated. POSTON
REYNOLDS, You ignore the laws of thermodynamics. The typical passenger vehicle has about 3 cu ft of gas tank volume. Thicken up the walls and dramatically increase the weight so your container can hold 3-5,000 psi hydrogen and you do not have enough BTUs on board to go 100 miles. Your fuel cell autos cost far more to build and operate and can't possibly work w/o massive subsidies. The public is not going to pay more for transportation to reduce or eliminate CO2 emission when there are far less costly approaches with proven technology. Why are you in the PickensPlan when you worry about CO2 emissions from burning methane in electric generation? Support the possible and feasible and let the free market determine the fate of H2 fuel cells. Besides CH4 is about 90% cleaner than coal. Pickens idea of wind generated electric needs major high voltage transmission lines going east & west. With proper planning the same right of ways can be used for CO2 pipelines to get the CO2 into oil producing states for geosequestration. If you
think PV/Solar can ever compete with out subsidy and extreme political support, then I still have the Fla igloo to sell to you. POSTON "Be a supporter of the possible, not the impossible" Remember who Don Quioti was?
REYNOLDS, The amount of electricity required to separate water into elemental oxygen and hydrogen is a constant and it hasn't changed in 100 years. Only the cost of electricity has changed. Hydrogen has even less BTU per unit of volume than CNG. Hydrogen comes off the electrolysis cell at 1 atm of pressure. It has to be compressed up to say 3500 psi to have any chance of getting enough BTUs on a vehicle to go say 300 miles. Do you know what it costs to compress any noncondensible gas such as hydrogen from 1 atm to 3,500 psi? Use of hydrogen in transportation is a dream that just can't happen. CNG will occur well before H2 and Boone is right on this. Poston
REYNOLDS, Around WW II time the gov't built a hydroelectric plant at Niagra Falls to use the electric generated for electrolysis of water to produce elemental hydrogen to untimately produce ammonia for munitions. Once installed electricity was essentially free, still electrolis could not compete with steam-
methane reforming. Elemental hydrogen is neded in every refinery in the world for hydrocracking the bottoms. Steam reforming is the process used everywhere to make elemental hydrogen. As a chem engr you know that CO2 is the byproduct of steam methane or steam-coal reforming. You seem to suggest that solar & PV can make electricity cheap enough to use in electrolysis of water for econ hydrogen production. If you believe this I got an igloo to sell you here in c Fla. Now you are flat out wrong when you say there are not enough abandoned or still active reservoirs to hold the CO2. Check the Kelly-Snyder Field just east of Lubbock, Tx. Shell went 300 miles into NE N Mex, found pure CO2 and built a pipeline to transmitt to K-S Field. This was 30 years ago and and they are still running. CO2 has value and we won't be venting it, instead we will reinject back for more oil recovery . Poston
Hello Warren,
Does anyone know about this 100 mile/gallon device patent? http://www.google.com/patents?id=4rUsAAAAEBAJ&dq=4,177,779
Also more details at: http://www.rexresearch.com/ogle/1ogle.htm#nohoax
Thanks for the research of Mr and Mrs Thomas Techtow.
.
Melissa
Thank you for your feedback, we are well aware that some nano technologies have some way to go, but we can't sit and wait. Our test leaves (not assembled onto a tree) shown a 53% conversion rate, this was without piezo electric generators, which we will implement next month.
New data when available will be posted on the site.
regards
Alex
Hi PP member,
Please checkout this website, as this is a Sun, Heat and Wind energy system in one, please give us your feedback as we try to improve it.
www.solarbotanic.com
i have been hearing about boeings solar panels for years, yet i havent seen anything. i feel like its one of those situations that dont leave the lab....can they mass produce it?
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I just wanted to take a minute of your time to let you know that a residential solar revolution HAS STARTED that will change the way you think about solar.
Please visit;
www.powur.com/homeenergy1
To View Our Mission, and then click the back arrow to Become an Ecopreneur.
Also visit;
www.jointhesolution.com/homeenergy1
To see what we offer our customers.
Please – this is not a sales pitch, but an opportunity to get involved in the greening of America. So if you have friends or relatives in the Anaheim area, please take the time to let them know of this message.
Thank You for your time.
I guess I missed the announcement, and I can't find the article. Perhaps I processed it as just so much more marketing hype? I dunno.
But except for the occasional DIY guy, the selling price of parts is a mostly meaningless statistic isn't it? I mean the generators we use cost less than a nickel a Watt you can to to the GE, or Westinghouse or Marathon site and see that for yourself. Inverters for PV are 15 times more expensive ~ $0.75/Watt. The big issue is still installation. it can double the cost of the hardware for most PV jobs, we keep it below 10% of the total cost.
The Light is Green!
Is that the cell price, the module price, or the *installed* price? We quote installed prices (excluding permitting, local taxes, & fees), but I showed years ago that even if the solar cells were 'free" the install cost on a conventional PV system is in excess of $4/Watt.
And what is worse, is that when the CIGS folks started bragging about the $1/Watt threshold they neglected to mention that the diminished efficiency of the panels requires a bigger solar field. The installed cost of PV somehow never managed to drop below $6/Watt.
The Light is Green!
I am looking to get information on wind speed every 5 minutes or less in any city of US.
Can you suggest me where to get such info.
I am doing my research on wind speed prediction and need those kind of info to construct my model.
Thanks you for your help
We do not import LNG because it costs too much. Check with T Boone on the hugh proven reserves of nat gas. Burning nat gas reduces CO2 emissions by 80%+ compared to coal, so you should support nat gas now!! Essentially all nat gas is domestically produced here in U.S.. The price of nat gas at the well head was $14/MCF earlier this year and is now $6.2/MCF. Does this seem like we are running out or have a supply problem with nat gas? You want congress rather than the free market to decide which fuels we use, which cars are mfg by Detroit, spend money on "New Tech" and thereby invent new fuel cells, batteries, etc to reduce CO2 emissions. It is doubtful that this approach will ever get there. Congress will never vote to wipe out the coal business or the oil and nat gas production business. They will however support a CO2 capture and sequestration scheme that uses proven tech and can reach our goal in less than 10 yrs. Check the Jour of Petr Tech monthly issues have several articles on CCS. This will give you up to date facts on CCS. You will learn how advanced CCS really is. Poston
think PV/Solar can ever compete with out subsidy and extreme political support, then I still have the Fla igloo to sell to you. POSTON "Be a supporter of the possible, not the impossible" Remember who Don Quioti was?
methane reforming. Elemental hydrogen is neded in every refinery in the world for hydrocracking the bottoms. Steam reforming is the process used everywhere to make elemental hydrogen. As a chem engr you know that CO2 is the byproduct of steam methane or steam-coal reforming. You seem to suggest that solar & PV can make electricity cheap enough to use in electrolysis of water for econ hydrogen production. If you believe this I got an igloo to sell you here in c Fla. Now you are flat out wrong when you say there are not enough abandoned or still active reservoirs to hold the CO2. Check the Kelly-Snyder Field just east of Lubbock, Tx. Shell went 300 miles into NE N Mex, found pure CO2 and built a pipeline to transmitt to K-S Field. This was 30 years ago and and they are still running. CO2 has value and we won't be venting it, instead we will reinject back for more oil recovery . Poston
Does anyone know about this 100 mile/gallon device patent? http://www.google.com/patents?id=4rUsAAAAEBAJ&dq=4,177,779
Also more details at: http://www.rexresearch.com/ogle/1ogle.htm#nohoax
Thanks for the research of Mr and Mrs Thomas Techtow.
.
Melissa
New data when available will be posted on the site.
regards
Alex
Please checkout this website, as this is a Sun, Heat and Wind energy system in one, please give us your feedback as we try to improve it.
www.solarbotanic.com
Looking forward to hear from you
Alex
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