Hello from amarillo. I like your comment about what you would like to do to help. I hope our representatives understand as we contact them that we ARE serious, and seriously tired of being controlled by "the unseen forces of big oil" i would like to invite you to view the Energy Party for Texas group and join if you believe we can continue to grow and affect change through numbers. We live in an amazing state with amazing people who aren't afraid to get involved, and speak out.
through the Energy Party we have begun a data base, and hope to provide information for those small businesses and individuals who will make their homes and business energy self sufficient. I know you and others would be welcomed resources! check it out on the groups list on my page if you would be interested
thanks again for all you are doing for the PP
tracy
Hello Lock. Jessee McBroom here. I may have some new energy production methods for you to study and get behind. Texas A&M has agreed to pick up an energy and water project of mine. Visit my page after you've accepted my friendship and get to know me. Sincerely: Jessee McBroom
Some really good stuff you've added to your page Lock, love the Energy Educators group. Hey, looks like I might get the boot from the PP. If you want to trade any more info, you can use docsetc@msn.com. Apparently I stand up too strong for the truth on this think. However, I've joined about 210 folks, as best I can tell, on our other site and have much more productive conversations without crazed Leftist propaganda.
Lock,
I actually understand the the carbon cycle very well. I was a Double major at the University of Washington. Anthropology and Fisheries. I have a lot of ecology and chemistry in my course load.
Just because someone had letters or got degrees does not mean that they have the integrity you would want from a scientist.
Have you read the long string of reports from the IPCC? I have. Not only that but I have also read many other well supported, well cross referenced studies on GHG an global warming. I have also read several books and papers on peak oil and other natural resources. I understand these issues on many different levels. That is why I am here.This is a topic I have been interested in for decades.
Since the vast majority of the scientist who are involved with climatology and palaeoclimatology, agree that he problem is real and the small number who do not receive money from the oil and coal interest, I seriously doubt the validity of the research you have suggested.
So having said that, I read all sides of issues before I make up my opinion on an issue. I really do not have the time to deal with this old tiered discussion.
I wish you the best of luck on helping the Pickens plan from what ever perspective you are supporting it. From my perspective, ever moment I am discussing these side issues are moments I am not working on a solution. So, please, save your energy and focus on pushing the pickens plan.
Lock,
I agree we do have cheap energy if you look at KWH cost. We have cheaper then most gas cost.
However, I think you are misleading in your statement about "retiring debt" and that credit card debt is going down. I have seen too much information to even give a hint of belief to that statement.
I go agree with you regarding moving in the direction of massively increasing the amount of electricity being generated. But I think I believe it for a different reason then you. My reason is that when the oil is gone, and it will be gone, we will need a massive amount of energy to replace all the "free" energy that the global oil cartel has been sucking out of the ground.I do not believe you have any idea how much we are dependent on it.
I also think it is wasteful to burn it for personal transportation. It has entirely too many important other uses. Do a little research on organic chemistry, where it touches your life then look at how most of all the organic base chemicals, that almost ALL of that organic chemistry is dependent on oil and coal. Burning it instead of using it is wrong.
Finally, you are also very dismissive of the potential of a environmental effect of our actions. On this, well you are wrong. You are obviously choosing to not look at a enormous body of research in favor of a small amount of barely honest science. To draw a parallel, I would ask you if Cigarettes cause lung cancer? This is exactly the same model of denial with industry funded research.
So, I would just like to say that I have tried to have a educated conversation with you. I was hoping for something other then talking points but I don't seam to be able to get you to actually do this for me. Good luck.
Again, as in my initial request, we are working very hard to keep this discussion on topic with no, or little partisain bickering. For the Pickens plan to work it will require both sides of the political spectrum. So far, that is what is happening here. I work with people on all sides to accomplish this goal. I would ask you to tone down the desisive nature of your postings. Work with others rather then starting flame wars. Work to push the pickens plan through national, state and local governmental structures so we can move forward with a shared goal of energy independence. Please consider this request. It is really all that I have to say to you now.
Lock,
your argument for today being so much better off is based on the efficient exploitation of easy energy. Oil. This is well past peak production almost everywhere on the globe. That ans exploiting cheap, 3rd world labor.
Once the oil is too expensive and gone, the economy you are touting is gone. Global economic collapse. Plain and simple. there is no other energy source sitting off in the wings that will give us the same ROI. We ill be forced to live within the means. that is live withing the solar cycle. A excellent book for you to get up to speed on this would be The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight. by Thom Hartman
Another aspect of the "economy" you are touting is exactly what is at the root of the current economic crisis, people living off the card. Credit. Either actual credit cards or home equity. The middle class is borrowing to try and sustain a unrealistic life style. Just like sucking every drop of oil out of the ground, leaving non for the kids of today's kids. I am amazed that you make this argument in one way but then turn around and use it to try and support your view of the world.
You rail against credit to "ghettos of the inner city" but this is exactly how people are funding this artificially high on the hog life style.
Lock,
yes I am aware that the system was not perfect at during the 70s. A point in time when we too were under enormous energy pressures, again back to the energy issue. However, you do not see the massive collapse as you do during the pre-depression era and the post regan/bush/clinton/bush era.
This only fits within the "small" state. We really do not know that the global economic collapse would have happened, however, I remember that period of time as well. It was very ugly. I had several relatives out of work and were living with us at various times. I would argue that they would have still been much worse, in fact I would argue that without the Roosevelt's actions, both of them, we would have never created a large middle class which is the engine which actually drives the US economy. In fact any economy which sustains itself over time, has a massive middle class. Prior to these actions, post revolutionary period, the industrialization of the economy in a "free unfettered" market, the once existing middle class was drastically reduced and it was not until there were restraints put on the massively growing power of corporations, did we get a regeneration of the middle class.
If you look back across a larger period of time then the past 30 years, you will see a larger boom/bust/extortion pattern. that is what I am trying to illustrate in the blog I referenced.
Now we are seeing the systematic deconstruction of the middle class again, and we are seeing the resulting instability of the economic system in this country and it is threatening to deconstruct the all important global economy.
I would argue that we are in a perfect storm. The shrinking middle class, deregulation of the financial industry and most of all, out of control reliance and manipulation of the energy market. These 3 things all are the cause of the current economic collapse.
To fix this, we need to have a massive infusion of money into infrastructure projects. This is perfect for the changing the economy over to an electric one. Build the new mass transit system to move people using electricity, not petroleum, generate a massive distributive grid and put Americans to work building this alternative system. This has the possibility of strengthening the middle class and building a new paradigm for the future of the US. We must build the new green economy to pull us out of the current downward spiral and build a new economy.
Lock,
happy to discuss some on the side with you. Though we have had"small" recessions since the original antitrust moment of TR and regulatory institution of FDR, we have not had an all out collapse like we are having now. Prior to it there were whole series that all took giant governmental bailouts, like the S&L and the current bail out. If you go to the great depression and look backwards in time you will find a lot of these crisis's.
If you doubt what I am saying, look at some of the links in my blog.
When this crisis started I was doing a lot of research on the bailout and found that this was common place prior to FDR and not used since until the S&L bailout and when you research why that occured, like this one, you will find that the financial institution regulations that were put into place have systematically been removed. Since they stopped when the regulations were put into place and started back up when the regulations were removed, it is reasonable to assume that the regulations prevented the type of book cooking that is the mathematical shell game that is currently causing this problem as well as the S&L bail out problem.
It is not simply that people defaulted on loans. Those loans should not have been made and then sold and then sold and then shuffled and the and then.....
Regulation is not by default a bad thing, just because someone said it is. They were put in place by reasonable people who were looking to stop greed from overrunning common sense. Please feel free to look at my blog and the links there and then start looking at the regularity of these giant financial crises that took enormous amounts of public money to get banks and lending institutions back on their feet while a handful of people walked away rich. Not only that but the collapses often benefited the large corporations or really wealth in that they were able to buy failing competition at penny's on the dollar. Carnegie and Morgen did this in more then 1 of these crises. Look at the history. The facts are there, you simply need to read it.
Its very possible Lock; I've seen some of Chuck's opinions before, and he spends a lot of time in Houston, owns a bit of stuff here now. I'll see what I can find, thanks.
Welcome and THANK YOU for joining Pickens Plan. Here is how you can help. I am contacting to ensure you are kept abreast of current events.
EMAIL A LETTER TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVES BY USING OUR EASY RED "CONTACT CONGRESS" BUTTON -This is urgent, because the Energy Bill in Congress is in danger of not passing! With little effort, we have the ability here for you to send a letter to our Representatives in Washington and Governor, too. Go to THE PLEDGE (at the very top of this page on the blue header) On the top of the pledge page there are three rectangular buttons- two blue ones and ONE RED BUTTON, that reads "CONTACT CONGRESS" . Fill in the short, standard form. Done!
YOU CAN ALSO HELP BY BRINGING 5 FOLKS TO JOIN the site today, so that we can build a voice big enough that Congress will finally have to listen to us, instead of the lobbyists and special interests, who are trying to derail this historic effort.
YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE PLEDGE on the main page. Print out 10 or more of them, get them signed and fax them back to Boone ASAP. This is how we build our numbers fast! Be a leader, be a part of the "100 CLUB", by faxing in 100 signed pledges. Let me know when you are done and I will add you to the list.
PICKENS U has been formed for college and university students to get involved. If you know of a student who would like to become am ambassador to helped coordiinate the pledge drive please submit names to Pickens U site. This would be good for job resume.
THERE IS NO TIME TO DELAY
…to wait and see…or to see if someone else will step up to the plate. It is time for US to roll up our sleeves and go to work. Right now momentum is working in our favor, but if gas prices retreat, the public will forget the pain, and our moment may be lost.
FOR MORE INFORMATION
Check out Pickens "August Call to Action"- for a course of action! Here is an informative video "Topeka, Kansas Town Hall Meeting": http://www.pickensplan.com/news/2008/08/04/video-of-the-topeka-town...
PERSONAL ACTION OPTIONSWe need to do more than “preach to the choir”. Sharing ideas with each other is encouraging but that will not 1) increase our membership nor 2) influence public policy. If you know someone in the press or someone who blogs - get them to cover this. Ask those in the public eye to support this plan.
A GROUP FOR EVERYONE. Join the Guides and Materials for New Members Group. Lot's of good information there.
Check out the many groups for Solar, CNG, your area, etc. Connect, learn and share. We grow stronger with your input. If you don't see a group that speaks to your interest, then start a group of your own.
PLEASE FRIEND ME so we can keep in touch.
At 5:31pm on September 27, 2008, W. Dan Chance said…
Hello Lock, Just dropped by and I like what I see. Actually I got here from another member's site where I read a comment of yours. When you have a minute check out my site and points of view. You may like 'em. I spend a lot of time writing congressmen and senators.
Hey everyone, please excuse me, I am working and trying to stay up to date, I looked down and watched. Wow, another great video that just exolains thing easy and simple. Question, how may I copy this to share with another person? I looked at the videos and did not see it there. Thanks for your assistance. Karen
At 8:31am on September 16, 2008, Glen Whiting said…
I wish it was as easy as “Do it All and Do it NOW” but since most of Washington has been on the take from OPEC who gives both Bill and Hilleary and who knows who else 10-million dollar per year as their CONSULTANTS. They don’t work for us (the American People) any longer but the highest bidders even the Energy Bill now being talked about by the Dems is a scam since it will be tied up in courts for a 100-years with Environmental litigation. After all, what good is making all these areas available if they are so burdened with red tape that it would be years before companies can even begin the process of extracting these valuable resources like all the other drilling leases in the past? Read more, http://blog.heritage.org/2008/09/15/we-must-increase-drilling-reduce-red-tape/.
Hi Lock,
You are one of the people I enjoy talking to most on Lex's page beside ole Lex himself as you and the others make my left brain think. I'm a south paw and think in my right mind.Take Care Bud.
Richard
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through the Energy Party we have begun a data base, and hope to provide information for those small businesses and individuals who will make their homes and business energy self sufficient. I know you and others would be welcomed resources! check it out on the groups list on my page if you would be interested
thanks again for all you are doing for the PP
tracy
Your emails are the BEST! Good luck on here.
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http://push.pickensplan.com/forum/topic/show?id=2187034%3ATopic%3A1432048
I actually understand the the carbon cycle very well. I was a Double major at the University of Washington. Anthropology and Fisheries. I have a lot of ecology and chemistry in my course load.
Just because someone had letters or got degrees does not mean that they have the integrity you would want from a scientist.
Have you read the long string of reports from the IPCC? I have. Not only that but I have also read many other well supported, well cross referenced studies on GHG an global warming. I have also read several books and papers on peak oil and other natural resources. I understand these issues on many different levels. That is why I am here.This is a topic I have been interested in for decades.
Since the vast majority of the scientist who are involved with climatology and palaeoclimatology, agree that he problem is real and the small number who do not receive money from the oil and coal interest, I seriously doubt the validity of the research you have suggested.
So having said that, I read all sides of issues before I make up my opinion on an issue. I really do not have the time to deal with this old tiered discussion.
I wish you the best of luck on helping the Pickens plan from what ever perspective you are supporting it. From my perspective, ever moment I am discussing these side issues are moments I am not working on a solution. So, please, save your energy and focus on pushing the pickens plan.
dan
I agree we do have cheap energy if you look at KWH cost. We have cheaper then most gas cost.
However, I think you are misleading in your statement about "retiring debt" and that credit card debt is going down. I have seen too much information to even give a hint of belief to that statement.
I go agree with you regarding moving in the direction of massively increasing the amount of electricity being generated. But I think I believe it for a different reason then you. My reason is that when the oil is gone, and it will be gone, we will need a massive amount of energy to replace all the "free" energy that the global oil cartel has been sucking out of the ground.I do not believe you have any idea how much we are dependent on it.
I also think it is wasteful to burn it for personal transportation. It has entirely too many important other uses. Do a little research on organic chemistry, where it touches your life then look at how most of all the organic base chemicals, that almost ALL of that organic chemistry is dependent on oil and coal. Burning it instead of using it is wrong.
Finally, you are also very dismissive of the potential of a environmental effect of our actions. On this, well you are wrong. You are obviously choosing to not look at a enormous body of research in favor of a small amount of barely honest science. To draw a parallel, I would ask you if Cigarettes cause lung cancer? This is exactly the same model of denial with industry funded research.
So, I would just like to say that I have tried to have a educated conversation with you. I was hoping for something other then talking points but I don't seam to be able to get you to actually do this for me. Good luck.
Again, as in my initial request, we are working very hard to keep this discussion on topic with no, or little partisain bickering. For the Pickens plan to work it will require both sides of the political spectrum. So far, that is what is happening here. I work with people on all sides to accomplish this goal. I would ask you to tone down the desisive nature of your postings. Work with others rather then starting flame wars. Work to push the pickens plan through national, state and local governmental structures so we can move forward with a shared goal of energy independence. Please consider this request. It is really all that I have to say to you now.
dan
your argument for today being so much better off is based on the efficient exploitation of easy energy. Oil. This is well past peak production almost everywhere on the globe. That ans exploiting cheap, 3rd world labor.
Once the oil is too expensive and gone, the economy you are touting is gone. Global economic collapse. Plain and simple. there is no other energy source sitting off in the wings that will give us the same ROI. We ill be forced to live within the means. that is live withing the solar cycle. A excellent book for you to get up to speed on this would be The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight. by Thom Hartman
Another aspect of the "economy" you are touting is exactly what is at the root of the current economic crisis, people living off the card. Credit. Either actual credit cards or home equity. The middle class is borrowing to try and sustain a unrealistic life style. Just like sucking every drop of oil out of the ground, leaving non for the kids of today's kids. I am amazed that you make this argument in one way but then turn around and use it to try and support your view of the world.
You rail against credit to "ghettos of the inner city" but this is exactly how people are funding this artificially high on the hog life style.
dan
yes I am aware that the system was not perfect at during the 70s. A point in time when we too were under enormous energy pressures, again back to the energy issue. However, you do not see the massive collapse as you do during the pre-depression era and the post regan/bush/clinton/bush era.
This only fits within the "small" state. We really do not know that the global economic collapse would have happened, however, I remember that period of time as well. It was very ugly. I had several relatives out of work and were living with us at various times. I would argue that they would have still been much worse, in fact I would argue that without the Roosevelt's actions, both of them, we would have never created a large middle class which is the engine which actually drives the US economy. In fact any economy which sustains itself over time, has a massive middle class. Prior to these actions, post revolutionary period, the industrialization of the economy in a "free unfettered" market, the once existing middle class was drastically reduced and it was not until there were restraints put on the massively growing power of corporations, did we get a regeneration of the middle class.
If you look back across a larger period of time then the past 30 years, you will see a larger boom/bust/extortion pattern. that is what I am trying to illustrate in the blog I referenced.
Now we are seeing the systematic deconstruction of the middle class again, and we are seeing the resulting instability of the economic system in this country and it is threatening to deconstruct the all important global economy.
I would argue that we are in a perfect storm. The shrinking middle class, deregulation of the financial industry and most of all, out of control reliance and manipulation of the energy market. These 3 things all are the cause of the current economic collapse.
To fix this, we need to have a massive infusion of money into infrastructure projects. This is perfect for the changing the economy over to an electric one. Build the new mass transit system to move people using electricity, not petroleum, generate a massive distributive grid and put Americans to work building this alternative system. This has the possibility of strengthening the middle class and building a new paradigm for the future of the US. We must build the new green economy to pull us out of the current downward spiral and build a new economy.
dan
dan
happy to discuss some on the side with you. Though we have had"small" recessions since the original antitrust moment of TR and regulatory institution of FDR, we have not had an all out collapse like we are having now. Prior to it there were whole series that all took giant governmental bailouts, like the S&L and the current bail out. If you go to the great depression and look backwards in time you will find a lot of these crisis's.
If you doubt what I am saying, look at some of the links in my blog.
http://push.pickensplan.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2187034%3ABlogPost%3A1227655
When this crisis started I was doing a lot of research on the bailout and found that this was common place prior to FDR and not used since until the S&L bailout and when you research why that occured, like this one, you will find that the financial institution regulations that were put into place have systematically been removed. Since they stopped when the regulations were put into place and started back up when the regulations were removed, it is reasonable to assume that the regulations prevented the type of book cooking that is the mathematical shell game that is currently causing this problem as well as the S&L bail out problem.
It is not simply that people defaulted on loans. Those loans should not have been made and then sold and then sold and then shuffled and the and then.....
Regulation is not by default a bad thing, just because someone said it is. They were put in place by reasonable people who were looking to stop greed from overrunning common sense. Please feel free to look at my blog and the links there and then start looking at the regularity of these giant financial crises that took enormous amounts of public money to get banks and lending institutions back on their feet while a handful of people walked away rich. Not only that but the collapses often benefited the large corporations or really wealth in that they were able to buy failing competition at penny's on the dollar. Carnegie and Morgen did this in more then 1 of these crises. Look at the history. The facts are there, you simply need to read it.
dan
EMAIL A LETTER TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVES BY USING OUR EASY RED "CONTACT CONGRESS" BUTTON -This is urgent, because the Energy Bill in Congress is in danger of not passing! With little effort, we have the ability here for you to send a letter to our Representatives in Washington and Governor, too. Go to THE PLEDGE (at the very top of this page on the blue header) On the top of the pledge page there are three rectangular buttons- two blue ones and ONE RED BUTTON, that reads "CONTACT CONGRESS" . Fill in the short, standard form. Done!
YOU CAN ALSO HELP BY BRINGING 5 FOLKS TO JOIN the site today, so that we can build a voice big enough that Congress will finally have to listen to us, instead of the lobbyists and special interests, who are trying to derail this historic effort.
YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE PLEDGE on the main page. Print out 10 or more of them, get them signed and fax them back to Boone ASAP. This is how we build our numbers fast! Be a leader, be a part of the "100 CLUB", by faxing in 100 signed pledges. Let me know when you are done and I will add you to the list.
PICKENS U has been formed for college and university students to get involved. If you know of a student who would like to become am ambassador to helped coordiinate the pledge drive please submit names to Pickens U site. This would be good for job resume.
THERE IS NO TIME TO DELAY
…to wait and see…or to see if someone else will step up to the plate. It is time for US to roll up our sleeves and go to work. Right now momentum is working in our favor, but if gas prices retreat, the public will forget the pain, and our moment may be lost.
FOR MORE INFORMATION
Check out Pickens "August Call to Action"- for a course of action! Here is an informative video "Topeka, Kansas Town Hall Meeting": http://www.pickensplan.com/news/2008/08/04/video-of-the-topeka-town...
PERSONAL ACTION OPTIONSWe need to do more than “preach to the choir”. Sharing ideas with each other is encouraging but that will not 1) increase our membership nor 2) influence public policy. If you know someone in the press or someone who blogs - get them to cover this. Ask those in the public eye to support this plan.
A GROUP FOR EVERYONE. Join the Guides and Materials for New Members Group. Lot's of good information there.
Check out the many groups for Solar, CNG, your area, etc. Connect, learn and share. We grow stronger with your input. If you don't see a group that speaks to your interest, then start a group of your own.
PLEASE FRIEND ME so we can keep in touch.
Glen
You are one of the people I enjoy talking to most on Lex's page beside ole Lex himself as you and the others make my left brain think. I'm a south paw and think in my right mind.Take Care Bud.
Richard
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